The Ferrari thread !

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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

Respect is earned, not given on demand.

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And this is the forum policy or just your opinion?

Again, I ask why you are so rude? I suppose your last post explains why, in a way.

I had asked you before politely to explain your immediate dismissive dislike of myself, and as yet you have not been courteous enough to reply, so please, if you are talking about respect, should you not lead by example?

As of yet, you yourself have not done anything to earn it, yet I am polite enough to be respectful in my request and response. From what I understand you have just said, you do not think I should be respectful until you have earnt that privilege?

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Originally Posted by pallone col bracciale

And this is the forum policy or just your opinion?

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It's called 'real life' isn't it?

This is a F1 forum, not a platform for the Respect party. Nobody has been rude but you seem to take exception to anyone with views that differ from yours?

As for Kimi, he contributed to 3 titles in 3 years. That's pretty impressive and surely as a Ferrari fan, something you should respect also?

Now, in 2010, we have Alonso and he's a passionate, emotive man. I can see the appeal of this type of character for Ferrari and their fans but at the moment, he is not really delivering. This years car should be fighting for the title and on paper is superior to the McLaren.

If I was a Ferrari fan, I would be asking questions about why the results are poor when the drivers have such a good car rather than disrespecting the most successful Ferrari driver since Schumacher.

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Originally Posted by Bagwan

And , his ice cream episode showed a driver uninterested in his team , and was a perfect example of why Alonso is infinitely better for the seat .

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Surely, the existence of said ice cream vending machine in the Ferrari garage was for team use, right?

Why would a driver, having an ice cream, supplied by his team that he is part of, mean he is disinterested?

So, by your reckoning, Alonso does not 'do' ice cream I suppose?

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Originally Posted by pallone col bracciale

And this is the forum policy or just your opinion?

Again, I ask why you are so rude? I suppose your last post explains why, in a way.

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I don't believe I have been insulting or rude in my responses to you at any point, and the same applies to any member on this forum since I have been here. It is my opinion that respect is earned, not given on demand, and I believe to be a generally accepted opinion. I do not speak for the forum or its policy. That's for the moderators to do.

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Originally Posted by pallone col bracciale

I had asked you before politely to explain your immediate dismissive dislike of myself, and as yet you have not been courteous enough to reply, so please, if you are talking about respect, should you not lead by example?

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I received a PM from you. There has been no "immediate dismissive dislike". However based on your posts during the time since you have signed up to the forum as pallone col bracciale I have reached a view. That view, and previous experience, means I will not be responding to PM's from you. Nor will I be responding further as this has become all to familiar, and another thread will probably end up being closed.

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Originally Posted by DexDexter

How do you know whether he had passion or not? You judged him based on what you consider to be "passion", what is considered passion in your culture.
Kimi's problem at Ferrari was cultural, that's pretty evident.

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Ferrari judged that he was not worth it .
In fact , he was paid to leave .

Of course they believed he was quick , as he would have received a lesser amount , had he raced somewhere else in F1 .

He got them a title , but they still paid to get rid .

They certainly were passionate about seeing him leave . That's how passionate Ferrari were .

He was called lazy , not passionate .
And , my culture has nothing to do with it .
Perhaps his culture does , but it's largely irrelevent .
He was an ice-man in a hot , passionate team .
He fit into the car but didn't fit into the team .

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Originally Posted by Bagwan

Ferrari judged that he was not worth it .
In fact , he was paid to leave .

Of course they believed he was quick , as he would have received a lesser amount , had he raced somewhere else in F1 .

He got them a title , but they still paid to get rid .

They certainly were passionate about seeing him leave . That's how passionate Ferrari were .

He was called lazy , not passionate .
And , my culture has nothing to do with it .
Perhaps his culture does , but it's largely irrelevent .
He was an ice-man in a hot , passionate team .
He fit into the car but didn't fit into the team .

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Trouble is, his replacement may well have the 'latin' spirit Ferrari cherish, but thus far he has shown only that he cannot handle the pressure without assistance, and that he is way too accident prone.

As I pointed out before, Kimi has the last laugh here.

Shouldn't we change the title of this thread now?

"The Ferrari bashing thread" would be a good choice. "The Ferrari fans lynching thread" would be another one. "The Anti-Ferrari mob thread" is not bad either.

I find the attitude of some, especially a group of british members rather disappointing.

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Originally Posted by eu

Shouldn't we change the title of this thread now?

"The Ferrari bashing thread" would be a good choice. "The Ferrari fans lynching thread" would be another one. "The Anti-Ferrari mob thread" is not bad either.

I find the attitude of some, especially a group of british members rather disappointing.

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The Ferrari fans bashing ex ferrari drivers thread?

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Originally Posted by eu

Shouldn't we change the title of this thread now?

"The Ferrari bashing thread" would be a good choice. "The Ferrari fans lynching thread" would be another one. "The Anti-Ferrari mob thread" is not bad either.

I find the attitude of some, especially a group of british members rather disappointing.

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I don't know, I think most people, me included, like Massa so it's not so much anti-Ferrari, it's more like anti-Alonso. Alonso came into the team under quite extraordinary circumstances where his sponsor paid a WDC out and he was supposed to be the Messiah and he isn't. Isn't it pretty logical that people start criticising him?