I don't think Toyota has any chance to get Ogier. He wants to win, not to develop a car the maybe one day could win rallies...
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I don't think Toyota has any chance to get Ogier. He wants to win, not to develop a car the maybe one day could win rallies...
Agree. Car doesn't look good :(
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Originally Posted by rogef
LOL :D...is it really him? driving style not Oger like at all but i guess you just have to drive this car this wayQuote:
Originally Posted by smsgrafica
E: got my answer
RallyingUK �� @RallyingUK 19s19 seconds ago
Confirmed by the guy who shot today’s video - it was Sébastien Ogier driving the Yaris WRC.
Watch the video several times and evaluate every detail. First impression to watch the video is not woooo, but if we evaluate every detail, conditions of the road the conditions of the time. . . Defenitively there is some level. And the driving is different from what we've seen so far in the Yaris.
Has that Toyota even been tested on wet tarmac before? That's a serious question btw
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Would be a perfect challenge for Ogier to go with Toyota.
Almost like Rossi going with Yamaha a few years back!
looks like real understeer on wet asphalt.
guess he also want to take it for a spin on gravel as well!
Ogier doesn't need another challenge to build up another team, he needs a fast car with a nice friendly reliable team
I believe that's ogier when I see pictures/vids of him next to the car. One YouTube uploader claiming it is doesn't make it so. For some reasons the white Yaris is always faster than the camo one... different test programs I'm sure but still.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre Oliveira
well, as i said before, i agree that Citroen shouldn't let Ogier or anyone else test their car without a contract. and i don't think Toyota has to offer him such a high amount either, as their main competitor seems to be ford which may not have that kind of funding, but who knows if ford may find some extra sponsorship just for this endeavor?!?! if the video is true, he just tested the yaris (which still needs some set up work based on the video) and will supposedly have an opportunity to test the ford shortly (which has shown some issues in the tests so far too). Ogier should therefore have enough information to make a decision between those two teams or take a blind chance and go to Citroen if the offer exists, but probably with less negotiability.Quote:
Originally Posted by Simmi
@itix---i'm not sure of that validity of that video either...i'm waiting for more information to surface on that topic
It is him.Quote:
Originally Posted by itix
Toyota's only advantage would be to offer him more money. Their car won't be as fast at the beginning (You don't have to be genius to realize that), so the balance on the scales would be just that.Quote:
Originally Posted by gorganl2000
i do understand what you are saying, but its looking more like a toyota vs ford race for Ogier, as it seems Hyundai and Citroen are becoming smaller to non-existent chances by the day. With that in mind, no ones knows what Ford is offering money wise and toyota just throwing what they consider a reasonable to large sum of money may still not sway Ogier who is looking to optimise his WRC driver's title chances (the best car he can get at the best salary to give him the best chances of retaining WRC driver's title). with redbull and other business associates/sponsors, he possibly has enough of an income where money although important, is not necessarily at the top of the priority list regarding car selection.Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
Well yeah, Hyundais are full and Citroen might never be on the table for Ogier, who knows. But in the race between M-Sport and TMR we don't know who would be the winner. M-Sport would hardly can offer him much money in the current situation, without Ford Motor Co. backup, or strong sponsorship (Red Bull). But their car for sure can be amongst the winners. Toyota is more complicated, how far behind they are, and how fast they can step into? If there is a driver who can tell the difference, the Frenchman is the one. It'll be interesting year for sure, no matter of his choice.Quote:
Originally Posted by gorganl2000
more like Rossi moving to ducati a few years back.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sulland
I have heard a lot of people who refer to third party sources but as of yet, no pictures and no credible names. Like RallyPower said in another thread: The story about Ogier complaining about suspension smells bullshit loooong way. Ogier is a professional so I can't imagine a reporter going up to him like:Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
"Excuse me mr Ogier, what do you think of the car?"
"Well, ze zuspension is nout sou good, I mush prefer ze VolksWagen"
He'd form an opinion, sure but he wouldn't disclose it to each and every person he met. That just doesn't make any sense. Unless said journalist had some spy drone it smells BS long way.
lol :DQuote:
Originally Posted by itix
I do think Ogier was actualli testing the car (even if not 100%) but regarding that suspension thing I agree with you.
Loved the german accent :D
I am not saying it isn't him, just that it all smell a bit fishy... no pics or videos of him in or near the car or test team and everyone has heard it from somewhere else. He did leave Australia early so it is possible, just a bit... unconfirmed let's say.Quote:
Originally Posted by AL14
I'm apart from any "source" informations. My logic is more simple, if he drives like Ogier, then must be Ogier, even if like AL14 said it is not 100%, and it shouldn't for just first few kms in a completely new car.Quote:
Originally Posted by itix
Come on, You can't recognize the driver from a video of a car being driven on some road without at least seeing the particular driver on the same track before.Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
Not for any drivers of course. But for Ogier is more easy with his aggressive style.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
Just the fact the Yaris had reflective windows and a darker windscreen should make you believe it was him. Other than that, take a look here: http://www.motorsport.com/wrc/news/o...-toyota-853217
No, its not easier. You're making fool of yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
In this case it's pretty clear it was him but not because how he drives.
Not really... large enough stir and eventually it will be reported as truth. Journalists copy each other all the time. Again, the suspension story reeks of cow excrement...Quote:
Originally Posted by smsgrafica
...also again, not saying it isn't him, I just want a credible source. Especially for the suspension story.
Dark & reflective windows, riiiiight. What for all the secrecy when he is openly telling about the test to the press? Isn't smelling something here?Quote:
Originally Posted by smsgrafica
Tell us Your prophecy Your "brightness"?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
It's You who is making things up not me.Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
Are the comments used in a quotation? If not, then the info might be from inside the TGR as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by itix
when you watched the video ,behaviour of yaris it was ok for you?Quote:
Originally Posted by itix
Spoke to my "source" earlier. He confirmed that Seb wasn't happy with the lack of cup holders either and for those in the know, that is a massive deal breaker.
im sorry your sentence is confusing....what you want to say?
If I'm wrong, I don't lose anything. If I'm right, just use it for Your rally statistics, You're quite good at it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
If ford not coming dont expect Seb to join Malcolm 's team.
ok thank you
No, bcs same sources could be the case.Quote:
Originally Posted by smsgrafica
Don't understand. Toyota or M-Sport?Quote:
Originally Posted by Arwel Davies
Nice example Sulland! Didn't Rossi took with him his tech guru? It'd would be even more amazing to see Ogier and VW's tech chief Demaison together in Toyota!Quote:
Originally Posted by Sulland
m-sport
I am not a suspension expert... Also i can't possibly be asked to judge performance from a video.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
I'm not trying to defend the Toyota here... There are many things that point towards Toyota not taking this seriously enough but it is also possible to give yourself handicap to conceal your competitiveness from others.
I'm trusting the stopwatch at the stages next year. Until then I'm not saying anything about the competitiveness of Toyota, only that some things look a bit... Odd.
However I don't believe that Ogier would immediately leak his opinions after having tested it, he is a professional. I'm not even sure it is him even though there are some indication that it is him. There is yet to be a credible source with solid info.
Yes, he took Jeremy Burgess and some other people with him. The combo succeeded with Yamaha but failed with Ducati. Every case is special and even if Ogier is accompanied by FX it's still doesn't mean he can choose whatever crap and make it a winning machine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rally Power