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2013 is on option only for retirement he cannot go to another manufacturer.Quote:
Originally Posted by mousti
WV gave him 2 years with next year only for extensive testing, he said that the testing program would be so heavy that it would be like taking part in the rallies...which is good because it shows that WV are going to work hard hard hard...and usually working hard pays.
@Andy would be easy to earn then but I'm very sure he'll do the championship next year. Yeah indeed about Gilbert I'm sure he probably earns 2 million a year for now or maybe even less that's why he probably going to move to BMC.
@NOT: I agree with that. Sometimes I can do that with you :D
Does anyone else but me find it strange that Olivier Quesnel, head of Citroen Sport has not commented on this??
That is the Jarmo Mahonen, chairman for the rally commission.
I find it very starnge and intruiging...Quote:
Originally Posted by Viking
i think quesnel will go at Leman series or WTCC or even DTM....
Why did my Irony/Sarcasm warning light start blinking? ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
I just sort of think Wilson or even Kris Nissen would have said something if he signed for them...
For me it was this bit in the article below your post:Quote:
Originally Posted by Plan9
This is assuming VW is as serious as Loeb lets on, of course. And that VW can find a good driver.Quote:
I had a proposal from VW, which I must admit had my full attention. I think this is the proposal that convinced me to stay in rallying. I have been in contact with Carlos Sainz, with whom I still have a very good relationship and the challenge would be to develop a new car and to try to win a title with a new manufacturer...
The means of VW are very important, superior to Citroën that is clear. For them testing is not limited. I would test on every surface for the WRC next year, without having the pleasure of the competition and also without the certainty of having a car at the end of the day. In the end, my schedule was not going to be very different either.
Interesting to see that on Autosport Pantano replacing Wilson in Indy car is bigger news than Loeb signing on again ;)
Aha. 'Cos this's not professional sport, it's a hobby of rich kids. :D
:laugh: ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Barreis
er yea, makes sense... back to being blocked for you ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Barreis
MaxRally | News | Sordo: Loeb was wrong not to join VW
“It’s good for him but he should have taken the risk and gone to Volkswagen,” said Sordo. “Everybody knows he is the best but he is in the best car with the best team and this will continue for two more years. It is an easy way for him.”
Isn't it right to be in the best possible team?!
What is the point when you have achieved what loeb has? Wouldnt it prove more if he were to go to another team with a poorer car and still win there? E.G if he joined the PSWRT:-) and became the first privateer to win a rally since 1993? Or join ari vatenen as a privateer world champion? That would be impressive.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barreis
Instead however, he stays risk free with the same team, doing the same thing. :s nore:
Those are very fair comments from Sordo.
To me seems like another desperate wrc driver.
Sour grapes would be more accurate I think.Quote:
Originally Posted by tfp
Maybe it is not for the best driver.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barreis
Only a fool choses what's not the best for him in current situation...
Dont you think that everyone does what is best for them self, what would be the point in changing from winning car and team?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobcat
Sordo has a valid point...
after all Sordo moved from citroen to Mini for the sole reason to prove that he can be a LOSER in both a winning team and a non-winning one.
Little crying nobody kids like sordo and Latvala, who we do not even know if they are getting payed for what they do or their managers pays for them should think before talking about the greatest rally driver of all times.
Didn't he technically do that with Kronos in 2006? ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by tfp
yes and the "private" team of vatanen was as "private" as was the kronos citroen of Loeb.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gregor-y
"Never change the winning formula" - Sebastian Loeb :champion:
Agree with you NOT. A private entrant is one who is independant and has no ties, i.e finances his car separately without any afilliation to a works team.Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
Independent?!Quote:
Originally Posted by Doon
No such a thing.
Try again. ;)
Independent no...non financed yes.
Both vatanen and Loeb were payed drivers during their private years.....so they weren't that private.
Whoosh-Tish! :pQuote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
U know he already did that? The year with Kronos, and believe me if he would do it now with PSWRT suddenly the DS3 will fly ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by tfp
Some people here above had the same idea about it :D
I was never sure of the exact arrangements of that, I once saw a programe on motors tv about the WRC past events, talking about Vatenans championship, and how loeb and kronos citroen's victory "diddn't count" for some reason or other? If ostberg won in sweden this year, would that count as a privateer win or not?Quote:
Originally Posted by mousti
Does anyone think that Usain Bolt should decide to race with a backpack filled with a 5 Kg weight, just so it make the challenge harder? Should Tiger Wood (at the time of his dominance) elect to go on the Master with 8 clubs, just so it's more challenging? Will Anand, in the upcoming Chess world championship should give Boris Gelfand a pawn advantage because he is clearly favorite?Quote:
Originally Posted by tfp
Why motorsport should be different: it's hard enough to win. Why volunteer any disadvantage?
Motorsport is mix driver/team, part of challenge for a driver is to get in the best car (and vice-versa).
xavier, you're absolutely correct. The other thing to consider is that with Loeb still at Citroen the benchmark for other drivers to attain remains the same (high) and, should any of the others get up to win they, and we, will know they've beaten the best, at the top of his game, in the best team. Had he moved on to another team there would never have been that certainty and that is probably unfair.
Just wondering what was Loeb´s biggest motivator to sign a new contract and continue in the same old comfortable enviroment after a decade of driving there, is it the challenge set by Ogier or VW only testing next year, or is it about getting two more titles before the big challenge arrives? Anyways I hope Ogier makes him regret he signed a new deal, maybe starting from today´s stages, because if/when Ogier learns how to set the pace on tarmac then Loeb will be screwed.
I like where this is going....
i feed on your tears and pain....
2 more years of sadness...
LOL.
Yes for a pessimistic person like me it would be horrifying to see something positively surprising in this series, thank goodness nothing happened yet. Since Malcolm´s kitchen won´t deliver anything, it is all down to VW to make things happen.
Now how could he make him regret, Loeb gets full pay no matter what Ogier does, and he still has the Championships nobody cant take away.Quote:
Originally Posted by Miika
The plan is two more titles, I doubt he plans on leaving the sport after a defeat instead of a title. Didn´t he just say he doesn´t want to end up like michaelschumacher at mercedes, outdriven by a younger team-mate.
Yes he said, but maybe he did mean, to go away for a few years, and come back only to find out that the speed is gone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Miika
Strange, I agree with you. Another example: is Block a privateer? :DQuote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
No, he is a shoe salesman.Quote:
Originally Posted by Motorsportfun
Not since a couple of years... :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Tomi