Mobile phones & tablets thread

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Originally Posted by Daniel

But not posting because he finds borlocks infuriating :p

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Daniel! I've missed ya, buddy. :wave:

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Originally Posted by Jag_Warrior

But if I go to a smartphone, I'll likely have to exclude any Android offerings because I'm not convinced of the security on the platform. When it comes to tablets, two of the companies that I do work for do not allow Android devices on their networks - so buying an Android tablet would be a waste for me. The security concerns are enough to discourage me.

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What security concerns are these? I'm genuinely curious.

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Originally Posted by pino

I know that but I still prefere Tapatalk :crazy: ;)

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Quote works fine.

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Originally Posted by Malbec

What security concerns are these? I'm genuinely curious.

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There's a lot of FUD but you should apply the same sensible precautions as you do with any other OS: don't download from dodgy sites, don't click links you don't trust, and check what permissions you give apps. There are a few bits of malware for Android, and some of them made it onto the official store whereas Apple are a tad more anal about checking these things; but don't automatically assume other OSs are automatically immune, that's the kind of herd thinking which leads to monumentally stupid statements like "Macs don't get infected" or "you don't need antivirus with Firefox".

Mark, quotes doesn't work with me :(

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Originally Posted by Jag_Warrior

That, quite simply, is a function of the free market. Products (with an elastic demand) are sold for the highest possible price, until demand is affected. The purpose of a publicly traded corporation is to enhance shareholder value - and that's it. So if Samsung could sell their phones and other devices for more than they currently are, they'd do that. If they didn't, then they wouldn't be serving their shareholders, as they should. Their current price points reflect demand, not some desire to give consumers a break. Corporations are not that altruistic.

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So, what Apple essentially is, is a fancy premium brand for people who don't really care what's inside their computer as long as it works.

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Originally Posted by Jag_Warrior

Depending on which test you look at, the Ferrari 458 is marginally faster than the Corvette Z06 in the quarter mile (4-5 tenths in most tests) and about 4 mph faster in top speed. I haven't seen tests where both cars have run on the same road course, so I don't know which is faster there, but yes, I would assume the 458 is faster. But if one wants a true road burner for MUCH less money than the Ferrari 458 (has a higher top speed than the 458, is faster 0-60 and equals or bests it in stopping distance 60-0), he can buy a Corvette ZR1 for half the price of the Ferrari, still buy a Z06... and buy a very nice family car and still have enough left over for a nice dinner at Ruth's Chris steak house. So, here again, I don't find it so difficult to find cars that can easily equal or better the Ferrari 458 in performance... but they don't have that Ferrari badge (or price premium). You're paying for that prancing horse badge. It's a great car, but that badge carries a hefty premium once relative, objective performance parameters are considered. And if I was in the market and had a choice, I would take the Ferrari. Why? That badge, man. We all want that badge in our driveway.

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To be honest, I don't really care about the badge or simply can't afford to :p and I'm sure I'm in the minority here. You can get all your adrenaline fix and break your neck with the much cheaper Nissan GTR. But then again, just like Apple, people (millionaires to be precise) will buy a Ferrari, because people don't wanna lose face in society, which is pretty much expected behavior I guess.

As far as the Corvette vs Ferrari comparison, aren't most of the Corvettes made out of plastic? It was only recently with the ZR1 that they went the aluminum-carbon fiber route. At least with Ferrari, you don't have to worry about that as they've long been made entirely out of carbon fiber. So, when you buy a Ferrari, you get the marquee name (I don't see Corvette or Chevrolet being a big name in racing, and so what Ferrari is essentially charging you for is to fund their F1 program :p ), + you get "slightly" better performance + the assurance that you'll probably be alive in case of an accident.

So, there are pluses.

The only plus point in Apple's favor is convenience, which I find ridiculous, but it's just my opinion.

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Originally Posted by Jag_Warrior

But then again, I'm not arguing that the Samsung phones or Android, as an OS, aren't good choices for many people. If they weren't, then I assume that people wouldn't be buying them. I'm a great believer in the free market. Demand, not bench racing scores, determine the success or failure of most consumer products. I might go to a smartphone later this year. But currently I use an ancient (10 year old) Motorola flip phone. It does what I need it to do: make calls. But if I go to a smartphone, I'll likely have to exclude any Android offerings because I'm not convinced of the security on the platform. When it comes to tablets, two of the companies that I do work for do not allow Android devices on their networks - so buying an Android tablet would be a waste for me. The security concerns are enough to discourage me. But as most people probably use their smartphones and tablets to mainly post to Facebook and Twitter, watch YouTube vids, send text messages, check the weather or traffic or play Angry Birds, that might not be as much of a concern. If it works for them, then I think that's great. It's not my job to convince them otherwise, because of any personal biases that I might have.

What I've found in life is that people tend to get what they deserve - for better or worse. In my opinion, Apple deserves whatever it can get, as does Ferrari, Gucci, Rolex or whomever. ;)

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So, you have actually not gotten around to using smartphones yet. Do me a favor and use Galaxy S2 and iPhone 4S with an unbiased view, and tell me why Apple deserves the extra $150.

No doubt, Apple products are considered trouble-free by some. But hey, you go clicking on naughtykitty.biz or on an ad that says "You've won the lottery", I don't care if it's OS X Pantelionepard, your computer WILL get infected.

I saw a Macbook Air on sale a couple of days ago:
Older generation (Nehalem architecture) - 2.3 GHz Quad-Core Intel Core i7 processor
4GB DDR3 RAM; 500 GB Hard Drive
15.4 inch LED-backlit display, 1440-by-900 resolution
NVIDIA GeForce GT 650M 512MB Graphics
Mac OS X v10.7 Lion, 7 Hour Battery Life
Price: $1794


I also saw a Dell XPS at the same shop:
Newer Generation (Sandy Bridge Architecture) Intel Core i7 2640M Processor 2.8GHz
6GB DIMM RAM; 750GB 7200RPM Hard Drive
15.6-Inch Screen, 1400X900 resolution
NVIDIA GeForce GT 525M - 1 GB Graphics
Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit
Price: $959.99


Please tell me why, for inferior hardware, the Macbook deserves the extra $800. Thanks. :)

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Originally Posted by henners88

At risk of sounding like a broken record, its not just about the hardware with Apple products but the opperating system which is a joy to use in comparison to windows. I don't hack, I don't programme so having this freedom doesn't appeal to me personally, for those who do, then great. Apple computers look nicer than Dell computers and to some people that is part of the appeal. My Casio watch does exactly the same thing, if not more than my expensive Tag Heuer but I know which one gets more comments. It might sound vain but I'm not particularly bothered about that. I have a Dell laptop (with a hard drive failure after 6 months I might add) but if I had the spare cash I'd buy a MacBook Pro. You don't sound like you really need to be convinced CaptainRaiden to be honest, so why not just stick to what you like and be safe in your own mind you are getting the better deal? ;)

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$800 extra "spare cash" for operating system (which by the way has much, much lesser applications than Windows) and looks?? :eek:

I really don't understand how people have hard drive failures when mine's been running fine for 3 years. Just throw it out of the balcony lesser. :p

You didn't just use Casio vs Tag Heuer analogy to explain the difference between PC and Mac! Oh my....

I'm not here to be convinced about anything. I am already convinced Apple products are a load of trash.

What I'm trying to understand, in a discussion forum, is how Apple charging $200, $400 or $800 extra for inferior hardware can be justified.

So far, nobody is really able to explain it with an answer that makes at least a little bit of sense.

Dear Captain, dunno in your country but where I live at the moment (Danmark) 8 people out of 10 have an iPhone...there must be a reason don't you think? Also I am not an expert and my English is too poor to get involved in this discussion so I am just going to tell the main reason why I have bought an iPhone : the great amazing and unique quality audio. Music for me it's so important that I always chose the best no matter the price. I have tested all the mobile available and none could match the iPhone. Also the biggest mobile websites in their test have iPhone on top so it was an easy choice for me. I have owned my iPhone 4S for 5 months now, it work perfectly in everything and have suggested it to other people. Many went for it and are now very satisfied about their choice. So I really don't get all your critics but life is beautiful just because each one has a different opinion...

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Dell laptops all have hard drive failures - the Dell repair dude has his own desk here (no joke!), the hard drive has failed on every single laptop we have here.

In almost every laptop it's relatively easy for the end user to replace parts, be it for failures or upgrades. The exception is Apple who insist on making their products virtually impossible to work on. You can't even replace the battery in an iPhone, for goodness sake!

I'm not sure what's causing the Dell HDD failures (I'm typing this on a three year old Dell laptop which works perfectly well) but at least it's a 2 minute job to change the drive if and when it goes. Try that on a Macbook!

iFixit Tears Down The MacBook Pro With Retina Display, Deems It Nearly Impossible To Repair | TechCrunch

I upgraded the RAM in this machine for about £15 and five minutes of my time - again you can't do that on most Apple kit and they charge crazy money for memory upgrades in their products. I can't agree with some that it's "inferior hardware": it's not, in most cases their computers use the same components as bog-standard Windows PC but in a nicer box. And yes the OS is slick if a little "Fisher Price", but certainly not worth the crazy mark-ups Apple charge.