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It won't help You, but if You wish.....
I didn't realise Toyota were testing those two cars at the same time. Side by side aero comparison I guess? Can't remember seeing a rally team do that before. Potentially M-Sport may have done it when they were pictured with two test cars a few weeks ago.
M-Sport tested the mule with 2017 spec car too
so far no pictures proofing that Teemu Suninen was that other driver...
it could have been Jarkko Nikara also, he has contract with Tommi (as has Mikko Hirvonen also)
These pictures were taken this morning. Who took it mentions the name of SunninenQuote:
Originally Posted by pantealex
https://twitter.com/TeemuSuninenRac
Sunninen testing Toyota
Ruben Otero @RubenOteroDo · 15m15 minutes ago
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It seems that the Toyota Yaris WRC had its problems during today's test in Spain. #WRC Photo: Ezequiel Sánchez
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cxf4nByWgAAMjJD.jpg
Looks like it's even slower than '16 cars...Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
I do not think so. But by the videos it is difficult to compare. What is certain is that the car has not been tested near the limit as the tests of the other brands in which in the test videos walk with the cars in the limit. It has not been seen in the movies of the yaris tests. Maybe for the pilots. Do not know.
till now we haven't see it so fast.Car seems to be very slow inside the corner.
My wife could get close to driving that car faster than how it's being driven in some of those clips. Would like to see the arse being driven off the car and it pushed to its limits. That seems to be the plan the other teams have...
Maybe I've missed some clips, but I also can't recall seeing a video where that Toyota launches off from a standstill. Are they afraid to show the public how poor the acceleration is or something?
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Is this Toyota R3 or what?!??! This is the worst project of the motorsport history. Remember when VW and then HD entered the sport, how many enjineers they stole and what facilities they prepared. Here the main test driver is a long-retired one with technological experience from 15 years back (3-4 WRCar generations back). Also imagine what will be their infrastructure in the distant events. Two tents and one generator at 3kW.
Yes, SlowSon, Finland is a 5th world country. Entire nation lives in huts and they just learned to make fire.
That's not what it's all about. In terms of structure will be great, as in WEC with everything that is right and well organized. The car is not as bad as you might think. They just do not show it in the videos, that's what I do not understand.
Who does not show it in the videos?Quote:
Originally Posted by rogef
How do you know the car is not that bad?
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I do not know, but I have this perception. What I see in the movies is that the car is not pushed to the limit in many situations. Soon it will be faster than it shows in the videos. At least I think.Quote:
Originally Posted by OnlyRally
I haven’t seen this much jealousy and hatred in this forum before.
i dont see hatred. i actually think the people who make these kind of comments here had huge hopes about the project but after they saw the videos and some people leaving the team they are just disappointed.
just wait and see when the season starts boy, this is nothing.Quote:
Originally Posted by OldF
And the fact that they haven't turned the whole testing year into a long publicity campaign.Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
I also do not understand the hatred that many people are showing for the project.
Yes, but maybe because they did not make a big campaign of their entry into the WRC people did not get so much attention and trust in them. In my opinion I think a lot of people are already discarding them including the media, but it will not be that way.
They may be playing with it in order to make it a surprise factor.
I don't think that it's hatred. More or less it's a disappointment with basically anything which comes out on public.
Anyway if some car appears slow on test footage is it more realistic to assume that
a) it is slow
b) they drive it slow in purpose to trick others
c) all other test footage is speed-up
What is a realistic point of view and what is only clutching at straws?
I want them to prove me and all the doubters wrong. I want them to succeed. However you can't be shocked to see folk slating them and having worries when you read and see what's going on. The car doesn't look 'right'. I mean they've only properly started proper tarmac testing with a month or so to go before homologation (unless they did lots of secret testing that nobody saw).Quote:
Originally Posted by OldF
The point is that the car does not always seem slow in the videos. There are times when the car seems very fast (at the other level), but most of the filming (going from the car in the movies) goes slow and not at the limit like most of the other teams' videos, in which in filming the cars appear To be guided to the limit or very close to it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
I can not believe that in movies where the Yaris appears to be guided slower it goes on the edge or close to that.
:)
at the moment i am split between 2 things
1. Do i want them to flop mid season so i can have a nice laugh at their short minded unprofessional and amateurish way of doing things ?
OR
2. Do i want them to flop after 2 seasons of embarrassment so my spite is satisfied ?
hmmm...
A happy outcome is worth waiting for?Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
Happy outcomes usually come by proper planning, equal opportunities and hard work.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigWorm
So no...
On this video the Yaris doesn’t look slow: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gibN30wRRjg
Maybe the engine is still lacking some torque, but the chassis seems already pretty balanced.
Considering what Makinen and his team have achieved in so little time, people should praise a bit more their efforts. For sure they aren’t at the level VW showed before entering WRC, but they seem to be more or less on Hyundai’s pre WRC stage.
The jealously and hatred that motivated such a negative prejudgment over Makinen’s team are difficult to understand, but it’s funny to see that most of today’s critics were much more complacent when the project was developed by TMG, a structure that factually has failed in motorsport for more than a decade...
But if they do neither of these you should be satisfied? ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
The car sounds amazing, and tbf in that last video it looks like it's being driven properly. The clips that were uploaded in the last few days made me think a few OAPs had taken over driver duties ;)
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Just a stupid question. I could have missed that info. Has Michellin already homologated 2017 tyres ? All those testing sessions are on new or this years tyres?
should be this years tyres.
Thanks.
So maybe thats why Team Finland are lift and coasting in the corners, cause Makkinen life's work is such a beast that they don't want to stress the tyres, you know accidents could easily happen. :cool:
Reason for Toyotas current 2 car testing is "engine endurance", so they are driving lot of KM´s
http://www.iltasanomat.fi/ralli/art-2000002504638.html in Finnish
from videos I watched with the white car,most of time is without als,how they will see engine durability without the stress of antilag?Quote:
Originally Posted by pantealex
camo yaris is almost always with antilag engaged.
Another interesting video from Yaris
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIedV5QqK_c
Quote:
Originally Posted by rogef
I'm sure there is a video of the Fiesta testing on that exact same stage early in the thread
Steve
It really is Mäkinens team, the pictures of the lancer on the wall, all of his friends working there, only finns driving and so on. It allmost that you forget about the Toyota part.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rally Power
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Does winning the FiA WEC 2 years ago count as failure???Quote:
Originally Posted by Rally Power