He has to take points for manufactureres as well, at least Cyril will ask him to do soQuote:
Originally Posted by denkimi
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He has to take points for manufactureres as well, at least Cyril will ask him to do soQuote:
Originally Posted by denkimi
I really enjoyed this rally back on tarmac.
A great battle with very close times at the top, lots of drama every day, some driver nightmares, one very good comeback, and all on tricky but beautiful stages. Bravo CER.
In lower classes, Chatillon obtains the First significant RC3-class win for Renault against Ford.
And for the Beyond Rally program between the 3 women, very difficult for the 3 with a lot of technical issues (1 retirement on Friday for Schönborn, 2 on Saturday and Sunday for Jyrkiainen), 1 off for Baudet (retirement on Saturday).
Decision tonight normally between Schönborn and Baudet (Jyrkiainen was off the pace even before technical issues) … should be Schönborn IMO by a slight margin considering the whole weekend (same rythm than Baudet in the stages they competed together and better management of the weekend).
Τanak with same 22 points as Taka.lolQuote:
Originally Posted by focus206
Two passes on powerstage today.
First spot looked great last year, but was completely killed off by anti cuts again. (Right before the junction where the track went right last year).
Second pass in spectator zone 41, was great. Braking slow turn, medium turn and fast one with lots of action. Came 35 mins before and could sit in first row with view of everything.
You could basically tell stagetimes by following where people lift off for the fastest corner. Mikkelsen seemed to push most, but Katsuta looked perfectly smooth and so did Solberg.
Overall the powerstage is great for spectators since you can park in the middle and are walking distance from many spots, just the anti-cuts were a tad excessive. Also basically only stage where cellnetwork wasn't overloaded, could watch RallyTV without any issues.
Extremely few people on powerstage overall and not many on saturday either. The big parking spots were like 1/3 full at best in CZ like 2/3.
Does anybody have the "what if" point standings using last years' points system? Just to see out of curiosity how it would look like.
I calculated before CER and Neuville would have even more gap. I will post as soon as I made new one.Quote:
Originally Posted by focus206
Basically, Tanak has to be 1. or 2. after Saturday. If not, it is gone for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by trykmann
I think it's quite probable Tanak could be 1st or 2nd on Saturday. Who could be in front of him? I can only think of Kalle. Neuville has to cruise around. Evans, not with this weekend's speed. Fourmaux, I don't think so. Ogier? If he'll bother showing up in Japan, I don't think he'll push hard to take the title away from his buddy.Quote:
Originally Posted by CeskyOndra
It was already pretty much gone long time ago, but it was gone with today's powerstage. If Neuville finishes the rally, it is hard to believe he gets less than 6 points. For his own title, he just needs to cruise through, but there is also a need to get the title for the team.Quote:
Originally Posted by CeskyOndra
this!Quote:
Originally Posted by meh
Tänak had the chance to bring the gap down under 20 points but totally missed it. I was so disappointed in that.
Kalle, Elfyn (last year's winner, hasn't win any rally this year yet), Seb (has to go for manufacturers), Katsuta really solid here last year.Quote:
Originally Posted by focus206
Maximum points you can lost in manu title finishing always 3-4 in every competition (Saturday, Sunday and PS) is 18.. If I'm calculating it well. That means, If Neuville is cruising and Toyota is faster than Tanak, its gonna be very very close.
Funfact: Tanak Evans and Neuville have the same amount of podiums (6)
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I made it. Old point system calculated. I only included Rally1 cars since other ones isn't important, too much work. It seems like they really hit the right solution, because almost all places are the same, only points are slighty different.
But we never know if this is relevant, because most of them probably wouldn't even push on sundays.
Overall a good rally, thought that it'll be hampered by being two weeks earlier than last year (was eager to see rain), clearly, was tricky enough, glad we have it for 2025, now if the promoter (whoever that may be) please make sure we don't have 7 consecutive gravel events, because this weekend proved once again, how nice it is to see these rally cars in tarmac spec, and how close the competition could be on the black stuff.
He was a few tenths away from the 12 points, but ended up with 4 points for Sunday in total.Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
He said (to Estonian media), that he did not have tires for that due to wrong tire-choice. I assume from that statement that some hards could be good.
Also, he said, that it was clear without a team message that it is important to get the points of for the manus title. He did not seem to stress or struggle with the driver's title topic.
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Originally Posted by meh
Yeah he basically said the aim is the teams title. Sounded like he had already forgotten the drivers title.
For everyone wondering, finnish news said that Kalle WILL NOT DRIVE IN JAPAN. He used "extra rally" in Poland so this is missing because of that. Lets see if the report is correct.
Sounds unbeliveable..Quote:
Originally Posted by masa90
as being a 2x champ with Toyota and not going to Japan..
But we'll see it officially on 28th of Oct, when enterlist comes out
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Originally Posted by TypeR
Yeah lets hope that he is there. Here is the link to yle.fi (which is finnish national broadcaster)
https://yle.fi/a/74-20119036?utm_sou...ent=ralliradio
No way. Toyota will throw everything and the kitchen sink for a Rally Japan victory and exhausting any possibility for the Constructor's. Plus, they usually do an end of season event and announcements for next year after the rally. Can't see how missing their apparent top rally driver can be justified.
I thought the reason Kalle was not at CER was because of the Poland "extra rally" alreadyQuote:
Originally Posted by masa90
Yeah this seems surprising for me aswell, but hard to know.
Taka said he is going for a push like never before, so it would make sense that Kalle will be there and Katsuta won't be scoring any points to have the possibility risk everything
Ogier got another life lesson that you are not your own boss and you can do whatever you like and some you have to think of a team. He ignored the first warning ⚠️ and got punished stage later. Thankfully Taka saved the day otherwise TGR were completely f...
Ffs all that hybrid related stuff..
Rememver Mikkelsen had problems with hybrid light shut down, then co-driver did some reset and that sh1tbox started working.
But.. hours and hours later fia masterminds found our that such thing isn't allowed and gave him 1min penalty..
Although the penalty itself didn't change anything atm, but wtf.. they think that such shltshow brings more people to wrc..?
I don't think that even crosses their minds. "We are the committee, we make the decisions".Quote:
Originally Posted by TypeR
It was yet stated he has a contract with a max number of eventsQuote:
Originally Posted by masa90
https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/why-r...ked-to-do-cer/
For 18 stages we had 6 different stage-winners and all manus got it "checked":
* Ogier 6x
* Evans 3x
* Tänak 3x
* Katsuta 3x
* Neuville 2x
* Fourmaux 1x
Ogier says he's a team player...
https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/centr...tle-questions/
“I have to be honest, I think like most of us racing drivers, we are very egotistical. You always think about yourself first. That’s the way it works and that’s the way you go forward in this business,” the eight-time champion shared.
“But I have to say very honestly that over time, year after year, I have become more and more of a team player and I really enjoy this situation, also because I feel really good in this team. They gave me really a great car first of all and also an opportunity to really adjust my schedule like I want. And I think we are working well together and as much as I can give back, I try to do it.
That’s why the manufacturers’ championship is important for me, now more than ever, and I’m excited to be in this battle.”
Latvala:Quote:
Originally Posted by macebig
“Yes, I asked Kalle if he could join (in Japan), but Kalle said, ‘try to handle it on your own, boys,’ so he’s not going this time."
:disturb:
Goes to show how quickly Rovanperä became their most priced asset, otherwise a 22 year old wouldn't be able to strongarm Toyota into only a half season and just say "no thanks" at their important home rally.
It also depends who asks him this favour.. maybe not nicest, but kind of expected answer from him to Latvala.. :D
Doubt that he would have answered that to Toyoda :D (although he isn't the president anymore, but still)
I think there´s somth more in this story about Kalle vs. Toyota...
Money?
Disagreements?
Kalle don´t want to do WRC anymore?
What do you finnish guys living around Jyväskylä say? Are there local rumours? Pantealex etz?
Really? I think it is exactly what it seems. He wanted a half-year. He arranged a half-year. He is doing a half-year. There is a contract. Both parties are sticking to it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
Not all drivers could say no to come help their manu team fight for title on home rally though.
If I was to put something into it, it shows how much Toyota needs to be on good terms with him.
Ogier still says he doesn't want full season and dislikes the new point system, also recent mistakes might suggest he is declining. Evans (again) showed himself to be unable to challenge for title. Both remaining title contenders are signed for Hyundai.
TLDR: Toyota really needs Kalle to drive fulltime next year. So much it is not worth risking that by trying to save manu title.
Most likely Rovanperä has the legal right to say no. But if the team has asked for help, I wonder how well "the no" will be remembered in Japan.
Watching the onboards on rally tv. They have great camera placement in Neuville's car.
It's interesting to see on the onboards how the hybrids allows them to have very long first two gears. With that having no hybrid is definitely most painful on asphalt in slow junctions where there is far better traction than on gravel. It's also a bit funny that they run one gear lower than Rally2 on the same places while going faster in the same time.
Anyway they will need to tune their engines a lot different without hybrid. Same for the gearboxes.