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Official launch tomorrow (Wednesday) according to a comment on YT.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre Oliveira
It depends what they announce if you're hoping for a work's team in the mainclass. This is the wrong thread really for a Rally2 build, might just be as simple as shifting the sales from Citroen to Lancia.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maui J.
He can’t even persuade Skoda to give him a drive, what on earth makes you think he can persuade them on their entire motorsport strategy…?!Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
What if he doesn't want that anymore, and want to compete in the main class as 2027 is the ''best'' time to start from beginning. If he would do Rally2 campaign he could be bad and that would certainly kill his career entirely... But on the other side he could be sharp and just drive for mileage, testing, do various things for them, since he drove various Rally1/WRC cars for a long time. But I think they could be persuade if someone from Hyundai squad or even Toyota could step into their office. Maybe Seb and do full season from start.Quote:
Originally Posted by rallyfiend
Took them a while: https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/lanci...ected-in-2026/
So I still wonder what this was supposed to be, because it's completely different than the real Ypsilon Rally2. Is that some mule based on C3? The overall shape and shape of radiator intakes looks like C3.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre Oliveira
Someone here said it's real photo, so I'll believe it's not photoshoped (althroug many things point to that). So is it really some kind of mule for 2027?
It was made with AI. The account who posted the image confirmed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kenneth
I was merely referring this interview and his successful connection with Skoda and rally car development experience...Quote:
Originally Posted by rallyfiend
https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/mikke...rd%20challenge!
Dirtfish delay on covering the Lancia story was due to them being at Rally Paraguay...
https://youtu.be/sP-R8IJhQ8Y?si=4a8lXn-lK93r3gMo
Lancia to replace Citroen pretty much confirmed as the works -supported team:
https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/lanci...LfqtSo44kRg2hQ
Lancia topic is more 2026 WRC2 News and Rumours now.
Let’s see if someone can drag a bit of sponsorship money out of Martini to do the job right!Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
From beginning it is mainly about Rally2 car. But still there is question how 2027 will looks like in general...Quote:
Originally Posted by WRCStan
So after they finally settled on a spaceframe chassis to replace Rally1/2/WRX Cars, a candidate for the FIA Presidency wants future rally cars to based on road cars...
https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/fia-p...VHa_1hr11ewDIw
He's talking about national rallying not WRC. Not worth a comparison or conflation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
True and semingly for national rallies outside Europe.Quote:
Originally Posted by WRCStan
Although even here (UK) many people at this level are still using old Subaru's and Evos. But apart from the recent GR Yaris no-one has a 4WD car homologated, so he has a point.
I'm not understanding what point he has, or the article, and regs of national rallying is not an FIA matter. Sounds like he's wanting to be saying the right things.
He wants to return to production-based cars at national level, even though they already are, but he needs to look at what he can do about power trains and construction of the cars. So which is it: hands on or hands off?
CODASUR and Africa already accommodate local cars outside of R1, R2, R5, if he wants to make a global regs set he'd probably face opposition in Europe.
Was his point that he wants manufacturers to build more cars like they used to and go through his homologation process? Good luck buddy!
And I'll add, on topic, that there's no real evidence that a series-production based shell chassis fitted with roll cage will be any cheaper than a tube chassis with cell once scaled to the potential market that's available.
IMO it's all noise and no signal.
Have the final rules been sent to possible manufacturers yet?
If so have anyone signed up yet?
27 is not that far away....
https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/hyund...2-car-in-2027/
“Unfortunately, 2027 is a train that has left the station already,” said Abiteboul. “Coming in 2027 with a new car, according to the new regulation, no, that’s not going to happen. What can still happen is that we, like many other manufacturers, will have a Rally2 car.”
Does anyone know if M-sport is building a WRC27 car? If not, we could have a one team show. Nothing different from the current situation though...
hyundai has been whining-wasting its own time away..
I'm quite sure M-Sport figures something out, it's their business..
There are still no final regulations for 2027. So teams has issues to develop anything. Currently only one who is working on some prototypes (and still waiting for final regulations) is Toyota.
I expect that M-Sport will be able to build a 2027 Car. Rallying is their business and they'll need to replace the old Rally2 Fiesta with something.
Hyundai would wine even if they immediately say Rally2 spec cars will be main category. They already decided what will they do, and we all know what this will be. They just want to find as many excuses not to continue.
I have a feeling (and had it before) that FIA is delaying their final 2027 regulations just to justify their intentions to adapt Rally2 spec for the main category, as it seems only Toyota is interested or at least is working on new car. Of course that will not be enough and then they will cancel 2027 wrc cars even before they will be made. And what will they be left then, other than Rally2 cars. I think they will not delay 2027 regulations into 2028, because no one will guarantee it will be there for 2027.
This is possible, but its just not a long-term solution unless other new manufacturers can find a suitable car they are happy to use and promote.Quote:
Originally Posted by deephouse
Lancia have built a Rally2 and will use it as a promo tool with their rally heritage, even though their Ypsilon HF road car is an EV.
Who else can do this ? Even Ford have said the Puma is unsuitable as a Rally2 (plus their road car is also going EV)...
Just like they quit in 2025, 2024, 2023, 2022 en every year before if this forum was to believe.Quote:
Originally Posted by deephouse
How the FIA plans to ensure a fair WRC27 v Rally2 battle
Responding to the concerns raised by Abiteboul regarding parity between the WRC27 and Rally2 cars, FIA technical director Xavier Mestelen Pinon reiterated that the two regulations will be able to work alongside each other with little differences between the two cars.
But the FIA is adamant that the WRC will not run a Balance of Performance system similar to that in World Endurance Championship.
“We are doing it well in WEC [World Endurance Championship] so it is easy to do it. In WEC we use power and weight, here we would use weight,” said Mestelen Pinon in a media round table.
“If we start to talk about Balance of Performance, it will kill our championship. We need [to] avoid that discussion. At the end the two regulations will allow each manufacturer to reach the same level of performance.
“We will speak about performance regarding downforce, weight to power ratio. We know there will be this kind of difference, but at the end we will refine the technical regulations so that both cars will be as close as possible this is our target.”
https://www.mtvuutiset.fi/artikkeli/...lmiina/9241474
Wilson says M-Sport will not have their WRC27 car ready by 2027.
"Whatever happens we will not be ready for 2027, beceause we haven't even started on the project."
WRC2027 is in tatters before the Regs are even finalised and announced.
More and more seems it will be like I said
2027 season is, but always was. The car reg has time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
Looks like WRC 2027 will be Rally2 Toyota vs Lancia (factory), vs any older cars for privateers (Fabia, Fiesta, C3, i20).
Hyundai and M-Sport (Ford) will be gone, having no suitable road car or being EV-only.
I dont see any point in Toyota continuing with their spaceframe car.
Fast Cyril, look beyond 2027 to when the new car is out on it's own. Rally2 is not the main class future else it would have been decided at several times they had this conversation over the years. Toyota can see this future.
M-Sport have no business case to build the new car for season 2027 manufacturers when the Fiesta can be made available to do the same job, no need to panic. When taking the Rally2s out of the class, manufacturers championship or of homologation, they then have customers. No panic.
Lancia didn't need a Rally4 but they absorbed that from Peugeot and Opel, so the Rally2 could just be the same operation to bring rally under one marque to strengthen it, so possible yet they have a WRC2027 too for 2027 - IF they are to take this game seriously for the long term, which is beginning to look more and more so.
CC at Dirtfish said Dacia is a rumour too, they've been happy with T1 ultimates and don't have a Rally2, so they're a possibility with Prodrive. Maybe one of the 'interersted tuners'.
Hyundai don't know what they're doing or what their brand is from one day to the next. Nothing to do with rally car regulations, EVs etc.
2027 = loads of R5s vs Oli Solberg in the new toyota wr27 hehe
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Where do you get this idea that Hyundai will have no suitable road car? They were testing a petrol 2026 i20 a few months agoQuote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
Total disaster from FIA to not finalize this regs already (and should do it a year or two ago, not still discussing). If thing will not be decided soon and I mean in a few days, not as their usual timeline (months), they will no have other choice than postpone it to 2028 or go Rally2. I don't see a point running Toyota WRC27 against Rally2 cars, probably only Lancia in manufacture backed car (big if).
As it stands Hyundai will not even start making new car, and now M-Sport saying they will not be ready.
I'm not a fan for Rally2 car become the main category, but I'm not a fan also having no champiosnhip at all, as it seems FIA is doing everything to kill it. Right now I honestly have a wish, that they would sell the series to someone, who can and know how to run things and they could focus on their stupid meetings without WRC. Sorry, but I really start hating that stupid organization.
What I still hope, that out of nowhere we will have multiple teams and current (also some new) drivers at the start of 2027 WRC season, no matter what they will be running and driving, but I'm more and more sceptical that this will not be case.
I've been following and agreeing with this narrative until now.Quote:
Originally Posted by WRCStan
But this weeks news that even Hyundai and M-Sport aren't going to have a WRC27 Car, plus Lancia confirming a new Rally2 Car, the idea of the new spaceframe cars for 2027 just isnt happening.
There was a crossover from Groups 1-4 to NAB, Group A/kit car to WRC, WRC 2.0 to WRC 1.6/R via S2000 featuring teams to ensure the championship survives. It'll be like this. I don't follow the 'everything must be perfect and published 2 years in advance' theory. And if there aren't any new cars in 2027, or even after, at least the option was there. Nothing to gain from hitting the FIA rally dept here IMO.
Even John is still whacking them to cancel the new car: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSzR-1MdqPU but unfortunately for a man with a YT channel and audience, he's still talking like this is sport and not a motorsport series. He doesn't consider what he might prevent and nobody seems to consider that there must be a reason they invest and proceed down this path, and the fallacy that all information is already public extends to posters in this forum.
I get what your saying and have been in agreement but for the foreseeable future there seems little chance of spaceframe cars happening.
As well as 2/3 of the existing WRC Manufacturers ruling out building one, there's also the complication of making a level playing field for both Cars which will be needed before anyone will commit to running them.
Without more than one Manufacturer (or Tuner) on board to make a spaceframe car, the future has to be Rally2 cars for the next homologation cycle.
M-Sport didn't rule it out, and they pushed for it. Toyota's is in the works. Promoter will ensure and insure it happens. It'll happen, there's no alternative. Just maybe not ubiquitous as soon as 2027 like we'd all like to see.
Doubt there's any complication in creating a level playing field, they're very similar and tbh, probably no demand to create fairness. Also don't lose sight of that they're not actively looking for Rally2 manufacturer entrants, just more cars in the 'mainclass'.