As with every one of their broadcasts, their vocabulary won’t stretch much further than “Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. Oooooooooooooo”Quote:
Originally Posted by seb_sh
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As with every one of their broadcasts, their vocabulary won’t stretch much further than “Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. Oooooooooooooo”Quote:
Originally Posted by seb_sh
That's exactly what was said.Quote:
Originally Posted by seb_sh
You're then creating two or three events, a paperwork disaster for everybody involved from permits to insurances etc. You're also shitting on the organiser's event, the start-to-finish rally that still exists for everybody else from WRC2 to funtime driver. How do you enforce everybody to take part on the Sunday if they can't be bothered...Quote:
Originally Posted by seb_sh
I think there is good reason it hasn't been done like this. Possible in the future but too quick a change now to be fair.
Fair point, on screen graphics will have to be clear, and commentary will have to be mentally switched on. So I wouldn't be too surprised if they didn't focus on Sunday scores much. It could just be 5-10 seconds per graphic at the end of each stage. 'Here are the stage results', 'Here are the leg standings', 'Here are the rally standings'.Quote:
Originally Posted by seb_sh
Else, by the time they get to cameras in WRC2 cars it will be an absolute fkinc mess. :D :D :D
It's easier than trying to understand that a Rally2 car is winning the class but is not nominated for WRC2 but is 8th overall so will score WRC points.
How would giving extra points for Sunday be a different event? It's the current solution without the nonsense Saturday points.Quote:
Originally Posted by WRCStan
Fair enough about the organisers needing heads-up to have a separate Sunday sprint but the FIA had plenty of time to do something, Sunday cruising is there for years and years...
(I quoted) Ending the rally on Saturday and having a separate Sunday Sprint causes multiple events, administration issues and questionable participation question for lower classes. If they do a third, "full length" rally; they are not doing a WRC rally. There will therefore remain only one rally for the foreseeable future.Quote:
Originally Posted by seb_sh
A Power Sunday within existing start-to-finish points system obviously didn't appeal to them. I can only imagine because this doesn't reset the risk and incentives across the board - crews and manufacturers. Only a fresh clean start from 0 is best for answering the root problem statement: how to get all entertainment class cars entertaining on a Sunday. It eliminates the possibility of team orders or drivers deciding on the rally or the sprint. If you retain 25 for the win and a token for the sprint, 5 points say? You might as well do nothing, just not radical enough, it is not an incentive.
What they delivered is the only way to reset to 0 and remain in the one rally.
Ok, I think you are right that this is what they think and is how they got to this solution, however I think that they are wrong and that they were a minute late and a dollar short as always which limited their options. I hope I'm wrong but I think there will be a some awkward rallies and stage end interviews. Not long until we start finding out.Quote:
Originally Posted by WRCStan
Nice ideas here!Quote:
Originally Posted by Eli
All this fuzz about point system...
They would better make sure the fans get to see more action! Both live on events, (compact, and accessible timing) and by difrent media channels.
New point system is not going to attract new fans..
Agree, but it could go some way to retain existing fans.Quote:
Originally Posted by Duvel
Let us know when you find them. They've really gone out of their way to serve that segment of the audience, it'd be nice if we could actually identify who was captivated by these changes who was going elsewhere otherwise.Quote:
Originally Posted by WRCStan
I'm going off topic now and really should be in the pub thread, maybe.
But... wouldn't this kind of a low point of WRC present another opportunity for someone to prop up an alternative championship?
I did wonder when this news came out whether something similar to IRC may crop up in the near future as a result of disgruntled competitors, teams, sponsors, event organisers etc. Then I thought I'd better not make that comment on this forum for fear of backlash and ridicule from my fellow forumers :D It's at least nice to pretend what an imaginary new-IRC calendar might look like!Quote:
Originally Posted by Franky
There is no proper chance to make alternative championship. For FIA (and also for WRC Promoter) it is business and they dont want another player on the field. And you cannot make the rally championship without FIA...
Have a look around this forum. Surely you've seen the topic of Sunday driving pop up before, or the rally threads die a death by Sunday.Quote:
Originally Posted by the sniper
I don't see any permit or authorisation problems with "split" events, all you have to is to explain how the division of the event and points work in the regulations. As an example the WRC Rally of Narnia could have three stages totalling 50km on Friday for a,b,c ... points, six stages adding up to 150 km on Saturday for d,e,f ... points and four stages on Sunday with 80 km for h,i,j ... points. Any combination is possible, but I don't believe it's the right solution.
The issue is (and has always been) when a crew believes they have an unbeatable lead, they cruise to the finish. It's the same for the crew in second. If they can't catch the crew in front they'll only go fast enough to keep ahead of the crew behind. It's the same in GP racing and they've come up with the slightly artificial "fastest lap point" in the same way that WRC has it's power stage points to try and spice things up at the end.
The problem for the enthusiast is the TV & Promotion people trying to turn F1 & WRC from MotorSport to MotorEntertainment. While they are in charge they will always try to add more gimmicks to spice up the show. The FIA needs to stand up to this nonsense. You don't get football matches with bonus points for goals in the last 5 minutes - if a league game is deadlocked it's allowed to finish as a draw. There's a discussion over how dull or entertaining it was and everyone moves on to the next match.
Why can't we do this in Rallying? If you really need to keep the battle going longer and the events shorter then why not have half the stage km on Saturday and half on Sunday, treat the rally as a double round of all of the WRC championships (overall, WRC3, WRC3, WRCJ) and give the half points for Saturday and half points for Sunday?
Jeeeez!!! make a separate topic for bitchin an moaning about the new point scoring system, and leave this for actual NEWS
+1000Quote:
Originally Posted by ictus
Jeeez! There's no news. Let them discuss the last big news there was till there's something else noteworthy.Quote:
Originally Posted by ictus
No one’s forcing you to read every comment on this forum. It is at least on-topic and is just your fellow rally fans discussing their thoughts and musings on the last bit of news.Quote:
Originally Posted by ictus
WRC has been determined to copy what F1 does since the late 90s/ early 00s - and look where that landed the sport. Too many people in the sport, and even on here can't grasp what the sport is meant to be about - speed & endurance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve Boyd
It should be possible, but it's rallying, and we all know how poorly it's run......the sport isn't big enough to support another global series. And that's poor in my opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by HKSjbg
Sportscars has the WEC, but teams/ drivers will do other races/ series in different cars - whether it's IMSA, NLS (VLN), Fanatec GT, et al, etc
I would love to see a proper European Tarmac series for Rally 2 cars, R-GT, GT3 cars
Is it really a question of how poorly the sport is run, or a reflection on how complicated the events are to run?Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyRAC
To compare to any kind of circuit racing is a little disingenuous. They use fixed infrastructure purely designed for their purpose. They can run every single week and just roll out the same process regardless of the cars on track, or the suitability of the drivers.
Rallying surely remains probably the highest participation motorsports in the world....
I'd love to hear your alternative timeline with what should and shouldn't have happened.Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyRAC
By sport I think you mean this championship and depending on what you mean by endurance (please explain), it might just be your opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyRAC
Gryazin will race under an European flag in 2024
BulgarianQuote:
Originally Posted by bisak
So he will get Bulgarian nationality? In WRC flag is passport depended, no licence.
His mother is Bulgarian, isn’t she?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom K
I guess it can just take time to get a new passport / citizenship even when entitled to it.
Really? If so, what's the reason behind it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom K
idiots who try to expand the war in ukraine into sports.Quote:
Originally Posted by becher
While the whole situation is quite complicated it's a mater of fact that the Russian sportsmen themselves are largely responsible for what is happening. Large part of them are active members of the military, some wear military or propaganda logos on their jerseys (Z letters; USSR symbols; Red banners; Rossoboronexport logos etc. all is common in Russian sport), some even still actively support Putin or even the war.Quote:
Originally Posted by denkimi
Anyway the international sport has always been a tool of politics.
Really? Can you imagine For example1944 Olympic Games with German athletes participating? If they did take place.Quote:
Originally Posted by denkimi
Moscow CSKA - main hokkey club for Russian national hokkey team - Centralnyi Sportivnyi Klub Armii - Central Sports Club of the Army. And so on, so on. Most of the sports in Russia are connected to army, as russian goverment has made sports part of their foreign politics. As was in Nazi Germany.
off topic, don’t start again please
Happy New Year crazy rally fans and fellow forum users!
Thank you for posting and arguing on different topics! Sometimes the heat gets a bit too high, but at the end all is fine and we love this sport!
Let the 2024 season begin!!
Happy New Year everyone, may we’ll have a nice & safe(!) season ahead of us with some good news heading our way! And may not a Toyota finally win this year ��
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Old news:Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
https://www.wrc.com/a/news/w27098_Bu...Elena-for-2024
Some nice news to start the year, apparently, Mike Chen will be coming to All live, WRC TV, whatever:
https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/10-th...o-in-wrc-2024/
"Rally TV bringing back a familiar face
Mike Chen’s return to WRC’s Rally TV service is definitely a positive for rally watchers right the way around planet earth. Here at DirtFish, we were fortunate enough to enjoy Chenny’s company when he joined us for Croatia’s world championship round a few years ago."
Nice! Good news indeed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eli
Hope they're refreshing the team. Anyone know where Luke Barry's going?Quote:
Originally Posted by Eli
This was a genuine question why it's passport related rather than license related like in other FIA championships.Quote:
Originally Posted by denkimi