2023 WRC News & Rumours

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23rd December 2022, 05:00
dimviii

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Originally Posted by seb_sh

On the good side the surgeon said she can make a full recovery. I wish everyone happy holidays!

i wish fast recovery to your mom mate.
Happy holidays to all members!
23rd December 2022, 07:55
AnttiL

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Originally Posted by Danny0405

About Greensmith, IMO, he was not paying the full cost for his season as he did some marketing for the team + was in the manufacturer team; probably he paid the direct costs but not the indirect (whereas Serderidis or Bertelli are paying all) or something like that, considering especially some of Millener’s interviews.

Yes, definitely it seemed like they believed in Greensmith's development and wanted to invest in him, but maybe there was a target like he needs to get first podium or something. Maybe it would have been a more normal customer program price for 2023?
24th December 2022, 17:17
fiscorpun

What are the chances of middle east rich teams entering WRC, buying cars from all 3* manufacturers? Where FIA president to go after those SHAKES and "hey, run four teams in WRC with your names in it. Lots of rally stars without a ride"
Cmoon Ben
24th December 2022, 23:51
WRCStan

Quote:

Originally Posted by fiscorpun

What are the chances of middle east rich teams entering WRC, buying cars from all 3* manufacturers? Where FIA president to go after those SHAKES and "hey, run four teams in WRC with your names in it. Lots of rally stars without a ride"
Cmoon Ben

Don't drink and post folks.
25th December 2022, 08:55
Sulland

Quote:

Originally Posted by fiscorpun

What are the chances of middle east rich teams entering WRC, buying cars from all 3* manufacturers? Where FIA president to go after those SHAKES and "hey, run four teams in WRC with your names in it. Lots of rally stars without a ride"
Cmoon Ben

Sportswashing in rally is not very likely. Not enough money in rally, more likely in F1.
26th December 2022, 16:49
Gregor-y

Didn't that already happen then go away within the WRC.
26th December 2022, 17:41
Fast Eddie WRC

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Originally Posted by Gregor-y

Didn't that already happen then go away within the WRC.

Qatar for one, with M-Sport in the early 2010's, and we all saw which sport their money went to (FIFA World Cup).

(And Abu Dhabi - from Citroen WRT - to a round of F1).
26th December 2022, 18:28
becher

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Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC

Qatar for one, with M-Sport in the early 2010's, and we all saw which sport their money went to (FIFA World Cup).

(And Abu Dhabi - from Citroen WRT - to a round of F1).

The GP at the shit show track was there long before the sponsorship deal with Citroen ended.
27th December 2022, 12:52
Fast Eddie WRC

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Originally Posted by becher

The GP at the shit show track was there long before the sponsorship deal with Citroen ended.

So it was.

Football has also been their choice. They have invested big-time in Manchester City.
27th December 2022, 14:58
EstWRC

2023 WRC News & Rumours

Any news where the season opening will take place? Or every team just releases pics in online and that’s it

I really liked the Red Bull TV hosted season opening show this year
27th December 2022, 16:37
Eli

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Originally Posted by EstWRC

Any news where the season opening will take place? Or every team just releases pics in online and that’s it

I really liked the Red Bull TV hosted show this year

Did they cancel the Autosport show for next year? With everything that's gone on, I forgot if it's dead in the water already or if they revived it for next year.
27th December 2022, 17:34
Paul Hudson

The Autosport show is going ahead , but no mention of any WRC Launch in any show press release,
27th December 2022, 19:23
Andre Oliveira

There is no reason to use Autosport in a country without rally in calendar instead the RallyTV PPV
system.
28th December 2022, 12:33
Fast Eddie WRC

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andre Oliveira

There is no reason to use Autosport in a country without rally in calendar...

Ouch ! :(
28th December 2022, 14:24
WRCStan

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andre Oliveira

There is no reason to use Autosport in a country without rally in calendar instead the RallyTV PPV
system.

The whole point is to sell to a new crowd, AI has new fans and media assembled in one place. No point in having a private meeting only preaching to the converted.
28th December 2022, 15:55
Andre Oliveira

Autosport is a private event too and payed.
28th December 2022, 19:51
typhoon

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Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC

Qatar for one, with M-Sport in the early 2010's, and we all saw which sport their money went to (FIFA World Cup).

(And Abu Dhabi - from Citroen WRT - to a round of F1).

Those sponsors came to WRC when the WRC itself had a way bigger impact on TV.

The championship was shown free-to-air on big markets (France, UK, Germany, etc.), the promoter back then (North One or something, right?) had a way better "Media Mix" than the one the "WRC Promoter" insist to pursuit without success, meaning that then there was much more attention on free-to-air broadcasting deals, even though they were less profitable on a contract basis.

At that time, there was free-to-air coverage in all the big markets: Sport1 (Germany), L'Equipe21 (France), RaiSport (Italy), TV3 (Spain), ESPN (UK). That was definitely more accessible than a 60$-month subscription to Sky Sport (Italy) right now!

Their only Middle-East opportunity would be Saudi Arabia if they manage to put them in the calendar, getting some global sponsorships as well. I repeat: if they manage eventually.
29th December 2022, 09:39
wyler

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Originally Posted by typhoon

Those sponsors came to WRC when the WRC itself had a way bigger impact on TV.

The championship was shown free-to-air on big markets (France, UK, Germany, etc.), the promoter back then (North One or something, right?) had a way better "Media Mix" than the one the "WRC Promoter" insist to pursuit without success, meaning that then there was much more attention on free-to-air broadcasting deals, even though they were less profitable on a contract basis.

At that time, there was free-to-air coverage in all the big markets: Sport1 (Germany), L'Equipe21 (France), RaiSport (Italy), TV3 (Spain), ESPN (UK). That was definitely more accessible than a 60$-month subscription to Sky Sport (Italy) right now!

Their only Middle-East opportunity would be Saudi Arabia if they manage to put them in the calendar, getting some global sponsorships as well. I repeat: if they manage eventually.

you sure?
ps: wrc is till aired on fta rai in italy.
29th December 2022, 11:18
rallyfiend

Quote:

Originally Posted by typhoon

Those sponsors came to WRC when the WRC itself had a way bigger impact on TV.

The championship was shown free-to-air on big markets (France, UK, Germany, etc.), the promoter back then (North One or something, right?) had a way better "Media Mix" than the one the "WRC Promoter" insist to pursuit without success, meaning that then there was much more attention on free-to-air broadcasting deals, even though they were less profitable on a contract basis.

At that time, there was free-to-air coverage in all the big markets: Sport1 (Germany), L'Equipe21 (France), RaiSport (Italy), TV3 (Spain), ESPN (UK). That was definitely more accessible than a 60$-month subscription to Sky Sport (Italy) right now!

Their only Middle-East opportunity would be Saudi Arabia if they manage to put them in the calendar, getting some global sponsorships as well. I repeat: if they manage eventually.

I don't think the TV deals in the past were better than now.

There's no way in hell the audience on L-Equipe was bigger than what's now there on Canal+.

Same in the UK. ESPN was dire compared to ITV / BT Sport as it is now.
29th December 2022, 16:30
Sulland

Today TV stations overpay for Football Premier League, Olympics, and a few world campionships. So only a few countries will get Rally on their list of stations.
29th December 2022, 19:53
typhoon

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Originally Posted by wyler

you sure?
ps: wrc is till aired on fta rai in italy.

Quote:

Originally Posted by rallyfiend

I don't think the TV deals in the past were better than now.

There's no way in hell the audience on L-Equipe was bigger than what's now there on Canal+.

Same in the UK. ESPN was dire compared to ITV / BT Sport as it is now.

What I can tell for sure is that RAI in Italy had every Sunday a 90-mins free-to-air, live-tv coverage for each WRC event, reaching an average of 500k viewers, now it shows 20mins of highlights at 11pm with 100k viewers.

And then, at the end of the day, we can have a look at the actual broadcasters of the WRC worldwide, eventually: https://www.wrc.com/en/more/tv-guide/
Few years there were 4 deals in China only. Now except Japan and a bunch of countries, it disappeared. Something's wrong out there.

If I was in any relevant position at WRC Promoter, I would have fired the teams in charge of arranging TV deals and distribution. Their "Media Mix" plan failed. Full stop.
29th December 2022, 20:15
EstWRC

What this has to do with 2023 news and rumors?
29th December 2022, 21:30
WRCStan

Quote:

Originally Posted by typhoon

Those sponsors came to WRC when

the respective drivers brought them along.
30th December 2022, 09:50
wyler

Quote:

Originally Posted by typhoon

What I can tell for sure is that RAI in Italy had every Sunday a 90-mins free-to-air, live-tv coverage for each WRC event, reaching an average of 500k viewers, now it shows 20mins of highlights at 11pm with 100k viewers.

And then, at the end of the day, we can have a look at the actual broadcasters of the WRC worldwide, eventually: https://www.wrc.com/en/more/tv-guide/
Few years there were 4 deals in China only. Now except Japan and a bunch of countries, it disappeared. Something's wrong out there.

If I was in any relevant position at WRC Promoter, I would have fired the teams in charge of arranging TV deals and distribution. Their "Media Mix" plan failed. Full stop.

check the end of north one adventure before full stopping...
2nd January 2023, 12:02
Rallyest

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Originally Posted by mknight

Only measure is stage times.

C3 had been great on all tests.

To be fair, at the second half of the season there were less and less "whining" by Hyundai drivers about the performance and drivability of the car.

And from Tänak's words the reason for leaving was not so much about the car anymore but the state of the team.

So that shouldnt be much of a surprise that Hyundai is very well prepared for a new season
2nd January 2023, 12:20
TypeR

Yet somebody has to keep pushing the development..
and the weakest/funniest part is that second season is starting and they still don't have a team principal.
2nd January 2023, 12:41
Rallyest

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Originally Posted by TypeR

Yet somebody has to keep pushing the development..
and the weakest/funniest part is that second season is starting and they still don't have a team principal.

Thats true, about the development.

But wasnt it confirmed that Cyril Abiteboul will be the new Team principal?
4th January 2023, 08:44
sinepikohv

Abiteboul is not confirmed. Perhaps because Capito and FXD are free men now and Hyundai want to bring them onboard?

Also, Eric Boullier was planted at Hyundai by Dirtfish and others as the new team principal too. Didn't happen though now did it.

The state of Hyundai is worrying but hopefully the new principal (if one comes, of course) will bring peace.
5th January 2023, 13:55
Fast Eddie WRC

Gus Greensmith has joined Toksport for 2023 !!

His first WRC2 event will be Rally Mexico.
5th January 2023, 16:46
TypeR

Awesome WRC2 list this year.. but on the other side it's sad that there will be one less WRC car..
Seems like this season rally1 cars won't even fill the top10 WRC points slots..
5th January 2023, 19:03
rp

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC

Gus Greensmith has joined Toksport for 2023 !!

His first WRC2 event will be Rally Mexico.

That´s a big surprise! Was sure that Gus will drive customer Yaris Rally1.
5th January 2023, 19:38
focus206

Quote:

Originally Posted by rp

That´s a big surprise! Was sure that Gus will drive customer Yaris Rally1.

is there even anybody interested in "renting" that Yaris?
I've read 2C Competitions was interested in a Rally1 program, but I guess they meant with a Puma...
5th January 2023, 19:43
Got Mail

Quote:

Originally Posted by focus206

is there even anybody interested in "renting" that Yaris?
I've read 2C Competitions was interested in a Rally1 program, but I guess they meant with a Puma...

Bertolli.
5th January 2023, 20:06
Fast Eddie WRC

Quote:

Originally Posted by rp

That´s a big surprise! Was sure that Gus will drive customer Yaris Rally1.

Greensmith could still rent the Rally1 Yaris on a couple of occasions this year.
5th January 2023, 20:41
Danny0405

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Originally Posted by Got Mail

Bertolli.

I don’t really see the point for Bertelli to rent the Toyota instead of the Puma considering his links with M-Sport and how few rallies he does in a season now with his managerial activities in Prada increasing.

About Greensmith, as I evoked in a former thread, I’m wondering if he will not try the Kajto strategy by doing Mexico, Safari, Chile and Japan. Or maybe he does Mexico as an «*easier*» drive with few competition for his return in Rally2 and to adapt the car?
5th January 2023, 20:59
Co-driven

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danny0405

I don’t really see the point for Bertelli to rent the Toyota instead of the Puma considering his links with M-Sport and how few rallies he does in a season now with his managerial activities in Prada increasing.

The point: he wants to drive it.
5th January 2023, 21:05
Danny0405

Quote:

Originally Posted by Co-driven

The point: he wants to drive it.

Is there any source?
5th January 2023, 21:28
AnttiL

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danny0405

About Greensmith, as I evoked in a former thread, I’m wondering if he will not try the Kajto strategy by doing Mexico, Safari, Chile and Japan. Or maybe he does Mexico as an «*easier*» drive with few competition for his return in Rally2 and to adapt the car?

My guess is he had to choose Mexico because all cars were already taken for Monte and Sweden.
5th January 2023, 22:27
Andre Oliveira

Quote:

Originally Posted by focus206

is there even anybody interested in "renting" that Yaris?
I've read 2C Competitions was interested in a Rally1 program, but I guess they meant with a Puma...

Hyundai
6th January 2023, 11:10
Fast Eddie WRC

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danny0405

About Greensmith, as I evoked in a former thread, I’m wondering if he will not try the Kajto strategy by doing Mexico, Safari, Chile and Japan.

This sounds a likely strategy for Greensmith and he is able to help Toksport fund these trips.

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