or extra point for every stage winQuote:
Originally Posted by cali
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or extra point for every stage winQuote:
Originally Posted by cali
In addition i would look into killing off Superrally. If You for some reason are out, you are out of the rally.Quote:
Originally Posted by cali
Agreed, atm this cruising until PS is painful to watch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sulland
As for Superrally I'm yet undecided. But it certainly has it's pro's.
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so youre complaining its boring and you want to make it even more boring with less drivers on sunday?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sulland
it is what it is this time....just a month ago we had epic sunday at croatia, short memories
I agree from sport perspective, but there is clear downside - then it's probably nursing car from start to finish, especially on rallies like Tukrey and Portugal. I think it's decreasing "pushing" a lot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sulland
More on that - imagine you are fan of someone, travel to another side of the world and your hero get mechanical failure on Friday.
This sport is selling "screen time" or from car perspective "time on wheels". I think it could decrease interest from sponsors perspective as well.
Currently super-rally is actually solving a problem. You can think about removing it when you have 5+ manu teams.
If we go a little bit further with our ideas I think FIA soon has some good proposals at their hands ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by meh
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Yeah Sulland wtf. "Sunday is boring so lets removed PS and remove superrally".
The only idea that has any merit around here is freshe tires. But you seem to forget that the restarting guys like Tanak will start the PS first which is usually a big disadvantage on gravel. So better tires are the only advantage they get to ca compensate.
This is actually the first rally in a long while where there is little to fight for on Sunday. The standard the last few years has actually been that there is a lot of drama. So stop proposing insane changes to something that is working.
One more random idea - if we need to create "rally in rally" like PowerStage or "best 3 on Sunday", then maybe (at least on rough and car demanding) rallies are too long with current amount of competitive cars available.
Clearly it's not predictable, if we could have constant fight like we had in Croatia, we could not even have this conversation here.
Neuville starts at 08:33 instead of 08:38 as 1st car at itinerary . Somehow tactics? Or simple co-driver error..
In general feels quite dangerous if you have rally car with full speed on stage 5min earlier than anyone expects.Quote:
Originally Posted by KKS
Seems that Neuville did quite a push on Fafe 1 - first on the road and stage win.
close call for young French
https://twitter.com/GiecoNoe/status/1396374371413921792
This for sure is a significant safety error from the organiser. I'm surprised the timing system would allow this to happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by KKS
Definitely not an error of the competitor.
Fresh tyres for PS would be a sensible thing. Put a remote tyre changing zone just before PS, perhaps even combine it with regroup.
Or they could give points for every stage win on sunday. 5 stages, 5 points to gain.
What would the fresh tires for PS change though? It would still not give the super-rally guys any more motivation to push - why take more risk if you have nothing to gain. Just cruise through to be able to start the PS. Points for every stage win, or points for fastest of the day has more merit imo. Want to see action on every stage then give them something to fight for on every stage.Quote:
Originally Posted by denkimi
I have old (?) itinerary saying 8:30 for Fafe1... Maybe they used that one?Quote:
Originally Posted by rallyfiend
As mentioned how would fresh tires for PS change much today?
Neuville and Tanak would not drive in road mode, but surely they wouldn't push much either. Ogier or any of the other guys wouldn't push more either
The only big difference would be that Tanak/Neuville wouldn't have any tire advantage for PS. But they already have a road order disadvantage.
So, probably the best chance to catch stage win by M-Sport drivers is on that stage...
It would make them drive at a fast but safe pace instead of grandma-going-to-the-market-on-sunday pace.Quote:
Originally Posted by Päss1928
It's not as if those guys like driving this slow. For spectators it would make a noticable difference.
Btw, how it's going with your pickems? You had Katsuta, Fourmaux and Greensmith all in Top6? :)
Points for every stage, been saying this for a whileQuote:
Originally Posted by Sulland
Points for every stage win, points for longest jumps, biggest air time, for the longest power slide, the coolest livery (car, overalls, helmets) and for the best stage end comments.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tauri_J
It's not a gigantic rally sprint.
I think you got a little carried away with your analogy.
Points for every stage would remove sunday's episodes of granny driving to the store. We would also see drivers pushing more on fridays and saturdays.
Points for every stage would fundamentally change the nature of rallying.
Win from 2km SSS by 0.1s should give same points as win by 30s on 30km stage? Obviously not. So you given different points depending on stage length? Well that's almost the same as using time and much less logical.
How about a situation where a driver gets a big lead early? Should he be "punished" for that and forced to push vs crashed out drivers that have nothing to loose?
What could be done is "support"/"additional" points per day. But those only need to be a small fraction of total points, and then the question is if they have any real effects or if they just confuse point counting.(some local championships have those, can't say I see much effect there)
How fast people forget? Just the preious rally in Croatia was a crazy three way fight for the win up to the last corner of the rally! Sometimes it's like this and sometimes like that. But nothing fundamentally wrong in the rules.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sulland
You would rather have only five WRC's in the rally today? I don't understand this logic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sulland
Or service after every stage. Or even mid-stage like in the 80's.Quote:
Originally Posted by meh
My 6-7-8 were Fourmaux, Lappi and Suninen :) However I put Katsuta only 5thQuote:
Originally Posted by meh
Just some thoughts - extra points per stage win, power stage, extra point for Sunday etc are for entertainment for spectators and for extra drama.
Rally is "marathon". Should marathon (42.1km running) have extra medals for "last 10km", "every 1km in last 10km", "best finish" etc point? Probably not. If someone ran away with first 10km, then this is how it is for rest of the marathon.
me reading all the proposals here
http://www.rallifoorum.ee/foorum/dow...ile.php?id=713
Camilli and Bulacia start after all WRCs and they have a really good chance for PS points (see first pass).
Similar to Monte with Gryazin and Solberg, but then they didn't score points.
Kinda inevitable consequence of good WRC2 competition and wish to show WRC2 crews on TV. ( In Arctic, they "fixed" this by running all of them after WRCs)
Thierry and Ott should have very good chances, starting from 6th and 8th
lets see
Time to fill waiting with PowerStage predictions:
1. Tänak
2. Neuville
3. Ogier
4. Rovanperä
5. Evans
Kaur crash https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PeytPwCj7Tc
Solid rally by Suninen.
Congrats EP - excellent victory.
VW looks really smooth here.
Well done Lappi! https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...ecd46cbcd6.jpg
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Lappi class of his own at the moment in WRC2
Lappi excellent again.
M-Sport could do worse than put him as number 1 in the team for 2022 now that none of the top drivers appear to be available.
I know if I was Rich Millener/Malcolm Wilson that's what I'd be doing.