His co-drivers reaction was even more funnier, looked as if he wasnt that upset even, but saw an opportunity to toss the pacenotes around abit
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His co-drivers reaction was even more funnier, looked as if he wasnt that upset even, but saw an opportunity to toss the pacenotes around abit
Can I see it anywhere?
https://twitter.com/THenroteaux/stat...mist-maratsemaQuote:
Originally Posted by Jarek Z
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I had the same impression :DQuote:
Originally Posted by henzo
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https://fb.watch/5Y__CzWRUA/Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarek Z
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Thank you very much. It looks funny, indeed :)
Every rally you can hear swearwords when drivers give "your own language" answers.
Finnish drivers did use "vituttaa" many times during Sardinia
(V word is same as F word)
I´m OK with Mads money penalty but that 25p is stupid, what you say shouldn´t matter to your point score, time matters.
But hey, finns use their precious V-word everywhere, it goes unnoticed when someone uses it, it's like a comma for you guys :DQuote:
Originally Posted by pantealex
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"own language answers" don't go out live, they are only used for edited recaps.Quote:
Originally Posted by pantealex
I don't understand why people think this penalty will change stage end interviews forever, like no one would say anything anymore. Just try to limit your f-words. I don't think even using the f-word just once in an interview would have resulted in a penalty.
When a person has reached that level of emotionality, you can tell them to limit their language use as much as you want. But it won't happen as they just can't, unless you force them to calm down.
If they can destroy your championship because of wat you say, it's safer to say nothing at all. After all, they don't even want to hear want you would like to say. They just want some lame bullshit that has no meaning, so they definately don't offend anyone.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
You better just write a generic sentence, print it on a piece of paper and show it at every stop.
Ostberg's co-driver's reactions was very funny, It looked like he is just trying to support Ostbergs anger :]] Also strange that they didn't ask him to repeat that whole bit about tires in Norwegian : D
Right.... a bit more drama please.Quote:
Originally Posted by denkimi
As AnttiL wrote and you quoted, you hear one swear word at least 2-3 times every rally from different drivers and nobody ever got penalized for that and I don't think they will. It was also correctly pointed out that you can express emotions and meaning extremely well without swearing.
Going full retard is something else, never go full retard.
Østberg was not on Panizzi's level yet though: https://youtu.be/N1dawGiMEzM?t=61 (do watch to whole vid, for some Safari reality back in the days)
Note that Panizzi didn't swear once, just went to punch the other driver in the face... and got kicked from the rally. Those nasty FIA officials didn't want him to express his emotions.
I actually think his fine was because of a combination of 'fruity' language - and also the absolute damning criticism of the awful Pirelli tyres. You can't criticise an official FiA supplier/sponsor.....it doesn't go down well.
However, later in the day, Pirelli suffered a much higher profile embarrassment due to their poor tyres.......
Pirelli has an embarrassment of a weekend with F1 and WRC. But I'm with you, more than the "lively" language, I think the Pirelli criticism is what got him the fine. Maybe they should fine Max for kicking the tyre as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyRAC
I think Ostberg went a bit over the top, it was not "just swearing" it was quite aggressive swearing and demeanor so he got the penalty, the points deduction is suspended so more like a warning. If he just said "fuck these tyres" i'm sure it would have been overlooked. I can understand he was very tired and had layers and layers of frustration building but once you open the door a switch should go off in your head to control yourself. I think the suspended penalty will remind him and others to keep it below a certain level. I love a real character and an f-bomb here and there but there is a line somewhere.
Otherwise i enjoyed the rally, although it was not very intense it was an attrition rally and was waiting for the next issue for someone. Interesting that Adamo "predicted" Sordo's mistake by saying he sometimes cracks under pressure in an interview, if I heard it correctly.
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Originally Posted by mknight
Exactly, nobody got punished. Because it was never considered illegal.
So why did they feel like they suddenly had to change that? Would we dare to say it's because it was aimed at the tyres of a big sponsor of the championship?
Please take note that punching people is illegal in most countries, while swearing is not. Especially not when it is not aimed at a person but at objects.Quote:
Østberg was not on Panizzi's level yet though: https://youtu.be/N1dawGiMEzM?t=61 (do watch to whole vid, for some Safari reality back in the days)
Note that Panizzi didn't swear once, just went to punch the other driver in the face... and got kicked from the rally. Those nasty FIA officials didn't want him to express his emotions.
Some of the challenge here is non native speakers trying to swear in english, but chooses to do it in american.
When working in a international organisation, I often overheard brits that was asked the question; What is the difference btw english and american languages.
many different answers of course, the best one was giver by a senior UK officer:
You take the english language, and stip it of 50% of the words.
Then when you speak, you replace 50% of the words with fuck, shit and bitch - then you are close.
An Amecican general present smiled and said, I am sorry to say you are right. This is American pop culture's gift to the world!
The penalty Mads got is imo way to hard. If you are to start tightening in on language use then all drivers need to be told before you start making examples.
The difference between Ogier...
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E3NXL2qX...pg&name=medium
And Evans.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E3Oky3EW...pg&name=medium
It's just as much about the money, as it is about the "looks".
Last year Østbergs WRC2 season was partly paid by Michelin.
When Pirelli became sole supplier of WRC2 this year he lost the funding and had issues financing the season (which is why he didn't start Monte and Arctic).
Also last year he had punctures on Michelin in Monte and in Estonia.
Monte SS3:
Østberg Mads - Eriksen Torstein
"I touched a rock with my rear - I don't really understand why it damaged the rim."
Estonia SS4:
Østberg Mads - Eriksen Torstein
"I was landing on a jump and straight away I had a puncture.. I don't know why it happened."
You know it won't become this, it's childish to exaggarate like this. I haven't seen any driver or even Mads himself comment how bad this penalty was.Quote:
Originally Posted by denkimi
I think this whole issue shows how differently we perceive things. Some of us believe on complete individual freedom, some of us want regulations to be obeyed for the common benefit.
We can all ask ourselves:
1. Do I accept that kind of language?
2. Do I think that most people accept that kind of language?
And we can get four different combinations of the answers. We just need to agree to disagree.
BTW does anyone remember Latvala's reaction on a puncture in Catalunya 2019, at the end of Terra Alta? He also used the f-word at least once (likely more) on his stage end interview tantrum. But that wasn't a live TV broadcast, it was only direct on All Live. They were able to beep that on the TV review broadcasts.
I think it's not drivers business to follow if it's a TV stage or not.. it's on AllLive anyway. As wrc+ is having troubles quite a lot with the live, tehn adding 10-20s delay wouldn't really change anything as livemaps works..
if Mads' thing hadn't been brought up with the penalty, it would have been forgotten already.. but now it went worldwide and even people who don't follow rally, has seen it.
Meeke - https://youtu.be/Cko4smM0ekU?t=55
Latvala - https://youtu.be/2ewRN8wWrVs?t=24
I've seen it quite a few times where a driver shows a really bad reaction.
Last I remember was Lukyanuk in the ERC going berserk when his co-driver check-in error cost him the win.
The problem is we see everything now with in-car cameras and stage reporters. Why should the driver have to censor himself, I think that ahould be the responsibility of the TV broadcaster.
yes and yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
if people want a safe space they can go play Pétanque with the other boring people.
rallying used to be an exciting sport for drivers with big balls. nowadays they can't even swear anymore. the pussyfication of society tries to destroy everything.
agree 100% with mknight at this subject,as also with seb sh.
i will use a post of ''mknight'' to see the big problem created from Pirelli tyres to Ostberg,which drove him to talk like a 16 year old football hooligan.
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Originally Posted by mknight
i really cant understand some mates opinion that the fia was very hard to Ostberg.
So if Ogier loose the championship ,its ok for you to start talking live about the f@cking fia that with their rules he lost the championship.
Or Tanak start talking about the f@cking hyundai that another time something broke
Or whatever driver has a problem to start talking about f@ckings for whatever believes is a problem for him.
Just because he had some misfortunes at previous stage,and because he just had finished the stage,he was at steam so it is acceptable.
No it is not.
And its not because the tyres (a new one which created inside the covid problems at short time)did excellent for other wrc2 competitors.
Yes you cant blame a manufacture talking about f@cks because you had a puncture.
You cant make problem to a manufacurer that is wrc from 1970, with decades of championships ,because Ostberg had a puncture,probably because of his driving/fault.
Except that, the fia announced just a 1000 euro and 25 points if he would do the same at future.
So they did NOTHING to him, but just a warning.
And plenty of some mates here ,believe that they were very harsch to him.
Regarding the Mads issue, while I'm surprised the FIA got involved, particularly to the extent they have, it isn't necessarily an incident without consequence for the sport. Personally it doesn't bother me at all, but from a UK regulatory point of view (sorry NOT, if you're out there!), if OFCOM (UK TV regulator) were aware of this being broadcast and were aware how often spearing was being broadcast pre-watershed (9pm) during WRC, they'd be fining BT Sport (UK WRC broadcaster) for repeated violations. Isolated incidents are fine, but OFCOM have been/are particularly bothered by repeated breaches of regulations where nothing is seen to be done to prevent a reoccurrence. An odd 's***' or 'f***' they'll get away with, but for some reason 'f***ing' is considered worse, and repetition seen as worse and avoidable by the broadcast for failing to intervene or cut away. A large part of why F1 went to delayed radio playout is because of OFCOM influence. Some context can be seen here for a far more minor incident in F1: https://motorsportbroadcasting.com/2...ttel-swearing/
While I absolutely don't want the sport having to bow down to UK TV regs, I'd imagine BT Sport is one of the higher paying rights holders to WRC, so the Promoter may have been warned by BT that they're putting them at risk of trouble/fine. The FIA probably acted on the Promoters behalf as they don't have a mechanism to do it themselves. Plus BT, as a big organisation, wouldn't want to be broadcasting that kind of language at that time of the morning regardless. UK rally fans are obviously a sensible bunch, as seemingly no one has complained about any of the swearing broadcast so OFCOM haven't been made aware. But I have to say this, I've NEVER heard anywhere near as much swearing on British TV pre watershed (9pm) as I have during the last couple of years on WRC live. It's literally an exceptional case.
EDIT: I should add, this was broadcast on BT Sport 3 rather than behind the 'red button' interactive service as it was a TV stage. While it may be a coincidence, the feed cut out a couple of times (which also wouldn't have pleased BT). After the Mads incident, when the feed dropped out, BT Sport didn't wait long for it to return and went to alternative programming instead.
Βulacia roll from another angle
https://twitter.com/ma_ipp/status/1401785660063813632
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Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
winner is Latvala
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E3Rnm57W...jpg&name=small
I don't remember the greats like Mikkola, Röhrl, Vatanen, Kankkunen, Salonen, Auriol, Sainz, Loeb etc. showing their "big balls" through excessive swearing in interviews.Quote:
Originally Posted by denkimi
Yes, this is an important point. For example movie ratings in the US allow you to use only once the F-word, otherwise it becomes Rated R.Quote:
Originally Posted by the sniper
187 grams lighter dashboard at Mads c3
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E3Q7btZW...jpg&name=large
It does make a difference. All Live is shown only through the WRC+ service behind a paywall, they only have to be responsible to their users. But the TV stages are broadcast to various television channels, who are paying for the contract, and they might want to stop showing rallying at daytime or stop showing live broadcasts if swearing becomes frequent, and these are big sums of money.Quote:
Originally Posted by TypeR
I am quite sure Latvala got a money penalty for that. The big difference there for promoter is that he is just angry not "blaming" tires (Michelin) or car.Quote:
Originally Posted by TypeR
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Anyway for my own part I don't care about their language.
But there are two things:
1. I sometimes watch with my son who is quite a bit below 10 years and speaks quite a bit of English. He didn't watch at this moment with Østberg but if he did I already know what he would ask. "What does f***** mean?"
"Don't watch with him" => less viewers (I go do something else with him), less future fans => less manus => less cars etc.
2. What sniper says and was mentioned before. TV channels get hefty fines for this kind of stuff if it is repeated. So they stop buying the broadcasts or move them to alternate channels => less promotion, less viewers => less manus => less cars.
"TV broadcasts are not important, fans watch on Alllive". This is wrong, TV broadcasts are important for getting new fans or hooking "semi-interested" fans. If you go for paying for allive you mostly already are hooked.
lighter front subframe at Rossels c3
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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E3Qs5E_X...jpg&name=large
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Originally Posted by mknight
I was also watching the power stage with my four year old who is starting to build interest in the sport. I wouldn't want my kid to hear one of the Finnish drivers pull out a similar interview as Mads did (luckily doesn't understand English yet)
Antti, all stages broadcasted are essentially TV stages by now. Just the "TV stages" have got more channels broadcasting.
No penalty for him in the stewards' decisionsQuote:
Originally Posted by mknight
http://www.rallyracc.com/2019/en/tablon.html
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Originally Posted by denkimi
So much this:
In the past with all these (missing McRae and Gronholm deeply on the list) you very rarely had any swearing, the post 1995-ish generation also always got a mic right in the face at stop control.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
Now when you see more swearing than before trying to limit it is "pussyfication" and "political correctness".
It's actually entirely the opposite. Proper characters can express their feelings without "cheap" words, sometimes much better. Takes control and wit to do that. Repeating a few swear words is something any simple person can do.
So if anything there is "dumbification" going on.