Sorry, I posted that from my phone and I'm obviously not that good with it...Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
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Sorry, I posted that from my phone and I'm obviously not that good with it...Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
It was a decision forced by the labor union facing a situation when some 20 thousand VW employees were about to be fired. In my opinion the VAG leadership didn't really have a choice.Quote:
Originally Posted by jparker
No matter how strange it sounds it actually was partially a cost saving measure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Simmi
As I said before VW didnt want the 17 Polo to run.Everything else is just beating a dead horse.
That's not true. If there was a meaningful program the car would compete. 2-3 events with one car is not the case.Quote:
Originally Posted by macebig
Mikkelsen's got to look for a way into a 2017 Fiesta now if he wants any WRC action..
No, he´ll end up in a Citroen. Wait and see. (Crystal Ball 17)Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
If they really wanted a full program, they could have easily worked with Al Attiyah,Red Bull and a private team(Prodrive for example) and get the cars running.They werent happy with any compromise so the blame is on them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
Sorry but You see it way too simplified. It is not easy at all to prepare such venture in such a short time.Quote:
Originally Posted by macebig
You keep blaming VW while You have no information about what was actually happening during the winter pause.
It was all on them.The car was there, the personnel was there, sponsors were there, drivers were signed.Only for PR and manpower relationships they decided to quit, having spent pretty much 80% of the money needed to run.It was their decision, so they should deal with the consequences.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
Now You jump from one subject to another (from blaming them for not establishing a private venture with RedBull and Al Attiyah to the WRC exit of the works team) and add a baseless claim on top (80% of budget spent which is of course nonsense).Quote:
Originally Posted by macebig
Apparently teams run by Prokop and Al-Atiya (plus sponsors) both tried to put together the money to run the Polo's in 2017.
They failed and that is why they cant run. If the money was in place in time VW would've homologated the cars ready to go.
After this failure of finance they were never going to be able to run part-time.
nope. Everyone can build and run a car in WRC. Only one thing you must do: enter to the championship as Manufacture until 1 Jan. So.... 1 January of 2018 is not far away :)Quote:
Originally Posted by denkimi
So, final chapter on VW‘s WRC adventure. It’s sad for VW Motorsport staff; they deserved to get their new car on the stages, after so much work. Still amazed how rashly a bunch of top VW execs have managed to ruin one of the most successful programmes in rally history.Quote:
Originally Posted by Simmi
It’s also a shame to see WRX getting the entry of a private team backed by VW Motorsport, while short sighted WRC officials and team managers refused to let VW M being involved in WRC; it’s bizarre to listen some of those guys saying they don’t understand why WRX is becoming such a strong series…
they'll bring R5. domination is no good for the sport so let them go. the only bad thing is one team lessQuote:
Originally Posted by Rally Power
My eyes are already bleeding reading this seemingly never ending talk about VW
So very much... Can we please let it go now?Quote:
Originally Posted by Franky
I'm afraid after a year we'll talk about Ford domination.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barreis
Doubt it will be VW-level domination... and if M-Sport do really well it will say more about the failure of the factory teams.Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
That's the flip side of the word domination - the failure of others.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
True, but the factory teams failure vs a private team would be a different level.Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
The previous VW domination was really more their superiority.
then why does m-sport needs ford? why did prodrive needed bmw/mini?Quote:
Originally Posted by KKS
unless i'm wrong, only official manufacturers can homologate a car, so only car manufacturers can build a wrc car.
if if would want to build a lets say new subaru wrc car, i couldn't unless subaru allows me to. even if i build it exactly according to the rules.
A perfect example of this is the Swedish Mirage R5
You build your Subaru and homologated it with Subaru Impreza denkimi F01, and if Subaru co. want to build and homologate own version it be Subaru Impreza WRC. Two homologation at same time.Quote:
Originally Posted by denkimi
But one small thing, you doesn't have those amount of money. And Subaru doesn't want spend it to WRC programme
M-Sport can build any car, but they works with Ford and they build Ford Fiesta and homologate it. Not Ford.
What? Ford dominating? It will never happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
30 years of miserable failures vs. one lucky win in Monte Carlo? Is that supposed to predict domination?
Ford and Domination are anti-affinity words.
Mr. jparker were da hell did you and your attitude came from? Please go back!Quote:
Originally Posted by jparker
You are making this forum painful to read.
You talk a lot of funny nonsense don't you?Quote:
Originally Posted by jparker
Especially regarding Msport/Ford.
Don't feed the troll :)Quote:
Originally Posted by itix
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jparker is NOT´s alter ego.
No, compared to jparker N.O.T. is like a happy puppy ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
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difference is all these copycats have no idea about the sport, trolling is caused by their ignorance and stupidity combined, i am far more sophisticated than that.
Are you sure you are talking about me, or yourself? Poor soul
Sorry guys, just wanted to change the subject. I promise, no more VW discussions from my side.
You called this nonsense? I call it facts:Quote:
Originally Posted by itix
Year Driver Nat Team
1977* Munari, Sandro IT Lancia
1978* Alen, Markku FI Fiat, Lancia
1979 Waldegard, Bjorn SE Ford, Mercedes
1980 Rohrl, Walter DE Fiat
1981 Vatanen, Ari FI Ford
1982 Rohrl, Walter DE Opel
1983 Mikkola, Hannu FI Audi
1984 Blomqvist, Stig SE Audi
1985 Salonen, Timo FI Peugeot
1986 Kankkunen, Juha FI Peugeot
1987 Kankkunen, Juha FI Lancia
1988 Biasion, Massimo IT Lancia
1989 Biasion, Massimo IT Lancia
1990 Sainz, Carlos ES Toyota
1991 Kankkunen, Juha FI Lancia
1992 Sainz, Carlos ES Toyota
1993 Kankkunen, Juha FI Toyota
1994 Auriol, Didier FR Toyota
1995 McRae, Colin GB Subaru
1996 Makinen, Tommi FI Mitsubishi
1997 Makinen, Tommi FI Mitsubishi
1998 Makinen, Tommi FI Mitsubishi
1999 Makinen, Tommi FI Mitsubishi
2000 Gronholm, Marcus FI Peugeot
2001 Burns, Richard GB Subaru
2002 Gronholm, Marcus FI Peugeot
2003 Solberg, Petter NO Subaru
2004 Loeb, Sebastien FR Citroen
2005 Loeb, Sebastien FR Citroen
2006 Loeb, Sebastien FR Citroen
2007 Loeb, Sebastien FR Citroen
2008 Loeb, Sebastien FR Citroen
2009 Loeb, Sebastien FR Citroen
2010 Loeb, Sebastien FR Citroen
2011 Loeb, Sebastien FR Citroen
2012 Loeb, Sebastien FR Citroen
2013 Ogier, Sebastien FR Volkswagen
2014 Ogier, Sebastien FR Volkswagen
2015 Ogier, Sebastien FR Volkswagen
2016 Ogier, Sebastien FR Volkswagen
Ogier and Prokop had a deal in place to miss Monte and run Polos this season. http://www.motorsport.com/wrc/news/o...w-team-872119/
Very interesting.
This is not new, this info was discussed here one week ago. Article doesnt brings any news than which was mentioned in that czech articles. I hoped that Evans should dig more from it...Quote:
Originally Posted by tomhlord
you forgot two manu championships for ford in 2006 and 2007Quote:
Originally Posted by jparker
I know, but without driver's title, this is half the success. That's why I didn't paste the Maune stats. but OK point takenQuote:
Originally Posted by Barreis
Fixed that for you :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
I can't wait to see him doing the same for Ford.Quote:
Originally Posted by Karukera