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13 rounds for Bertelli. Everywhere but China.
http://www.wrc.com/en/wrc/news/novem...8--12-12-.html
Will be a new team name. Will probably be a new livery? Will there be a team-mate?
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Originally Posted by dimviii
how do you know what is correct and what is not ?Quote:
Originally Posted by NoName
we are talking about M-sport rally cars sales,not vw or hyundai.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arnold Triyudho Wardono
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Originally Posted by Dug83
Why does Malcolm refuse to put his hand in his pocket to pay for a decent driver? He could easily afford to. If he's going to bitch about being frustrated at the potential of the Fiesta, then he only has himself to blame for the distinctly mediocre results; a quite bizarre philosophy, given everything else he has done with MW Motorsport/M-Sport. It would be like building a competitive WRC car and then putting shitey tires on it. Oh, wait…..Quote:
Originally Posted by Viking
Once again though, like who? He got Ostberg, who's almost certainly the best on the market, but all other contenders are under contract to Hyundai, VW or Citroen already. This year he tried paying for two drivers, but they hardly repaid him. Next year, there's every chance they'll get trounced by the two main teams anyway and he's got the best driver for points scoring and getting good finishes in Mads; from all the names mentioned, is there really anyone worth paying more for?
Malcolm also could not have been clearer that he wanted Neuville this year. He literally came right out and said it in a bid to tempt him over. As dodge33cymru said it's hard when everyone is under contract. Malcolm's certainly not going to buy out a contract and then pay a driver on top of that.
In Motorsport News today he is quoted as saying on Elfyn:
"We're working on keeping Elfyn involved. It looks like it's going to take a few weeks, but we definitely want him around and we want him in the car. I can't talk about what sort of programme it would be, but it's possible we could switch drivers around in the main team and he could be there on some of the events.
"For example in the second half of the year there are four asphalt events and Elfyn goes really well on that surface."
lol, Wilson has now so many drivers that he cant decide which one will be driving or not. Camili seems to be better on tarmac and Mads isnt very good on tarmac, so... AT the same time Ostberg's management said that he will do all rounds. It means then that Camili has to leave for 4 rallies?
i dont believe Wilson.
A really good, reasoned post on M-Sport/Elfyn/Ott/Malcolm etc by Jerry Williams - http://jezzarallyblog.blogspot.co.uk/
As Colin Clark said on Twitter there's been a lot of crap written about the whole thing - mostly from people with short memories.
Quite big news as Mads Ostberg and Jonas Andersson partnership breaks up for 2016.
http://www.tv2.no/2015/12/02/sport/m.../rally/7735043
Jonas signed a deal with EVEN. Not sure who he will partner next year but now right on the eve of Monte testing Mads has no co-driver!
Somebody has to pay for the WRC programme - and it seems Malcolm has the last season. Now he's decided he won't anymore - so drivers with funding will have to. Elfyn could have kept a full WRC seat - if he could get the money - but like Kris, as a Brit, he's got no chance of raising sponsorship; similarly, M-Sport need a Title sponsor - but where are they supposed to get one from?
Come on Andy, this moaning about Evans step back it's a bit over dramatic...Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyRAC
Wilson gave (for sure it's the proper word) Evans 3 wrc seasons: 2013 (WRC2), '14 and '15.
He did a promising job on the first two but this year he completely stagnated (I think even Evans has admit it).
Maybe WRC2, ERC or BRC can help getting his confidence back. We all remember how important was IRC to revamp Meeke career!
"Revamp" Meeke's career??? In contrary to Evans now, Meeke never had a real opportunity in WRC (only JWRC) before his IRC-seasons.
You misunderstand - I actually don't have a problem with the decision - he hasn't stepped it up a level this year - but if he had the £$£$£ he probably would still have a drive. My issue is that the sport in the UK can't generate sponsors, mainstream interest, etcQuote:
Originally Posted by Rally Power
I don't agree that Evans did such a bad job this year as some say. He didn't reach what it was expected from him, but look at the final standings, he missed 6th place by one point from Neuville, finishing in front of Tanak, Sordo and Paddon (the latter 2 did one event less though). In an ideal WRC I would have kept both Evans and Tanak for another year, but well that's not how it works...Quote:
Originally Posted by Rally Power
Unfortunately McRae's passing and the Prodrive-BMW debacle really hurted his chances.Quote:
Originally Posted by tommeke_B
Why all those question marks?Quote:
Originally Posted by tommeke_B
After 4 JWRC seasons (some of them with McRae support, others with Citroen backing) the logical step for Meeke was to go into a WRC team, but his erratic results didn't open any door. He was doing local rallys in Ireland and Barbados when Peugeot invite him for IRC. Can you get a better example for a career revamp move?
PS: Now I've got it Andy. Maybe revived BRC can change the picture.
Mikkelsen, Abbring...Quote:
Originally Posted by Rally Power
The first one went full WRC in 2006 and by 2008 nobody remember who he was anymore. He got back to Norway before start again with the Skoda UK program on IRC for two years and then get to the official VW Fabias.
Abbring was in the JWRC the same year as Neuville, and both where beat by Burkark. He made a few more outings with the Clio R3 in their European Champ before getting the chance to go to the VW Fabias team. After VW entered officialy the WRC in 2013, he step really back, going to the 208 Cup in France and climbed his way back to the top. For me Abbring it's the young gun with most potencial of those who are not currently in the WRC.
[QUOTE=focus206;1073497]I don't agree that Evans did such a bad job this year as some say. [QUOTE]
I'd agree with this, the Sebs have made some people think success should be instant. I hope this is not the end for Evans but even if it is I'm glad he got a the chance that Ford never gave his father, Gwyndaf IMHO could have been a WRC winner if he had been given a proper break.
[QUOTE=Nornbugger;1073506][QUOTE=focus206;1073497]I don't agree that Evans did such a bad job this year as some say.Gwyndaf would never have got the break due to his total lack of PR nous. Great driver but not even marketable in the UK outside of mid-Wales.Quote:
I'd agree with this, the Sebs have made some people think success should be instant. I hope this is not the end for Evans but even if it is I'm glad he got a the chance that Ford never gave his father, Gwyndaf IMHO could have been a WRC winner if he had been given a proper break.
[QUOTE=Mintexmemory;1073543][QUOTE=Nornbugger;1073506]A damn fine driver thoughQuote:
Originally Posted by focus206
Jonas Andersson confirmed with Tidemand.
Why Andersson leave Ostberg to go with Tidemand? Does someone know what happened?
They seemed to be a pretty strong partnership - together since 2009. The move looks to have taken Mads by surprise.Quote:
Originally Posted by AL14
All I can think is that EVEN made him a good deal. Maybe they showed him their future plans for Tidemand and he bought into that?
My guess is connection with VW and mads has reached his peak already some years ago.
Maybe it could have something to do about pay?Quote:
Originally Posted by AL14
In Citroën both Mads and Jonas got a paycheque. I dont think it was huge, but still. And they got bonuses for podium positions.
I dont know the deal between Mads and Malcolm, but would think that the best Mads could hope for is to drive for free (if anyone has more information, please chip in.)
If EVEN Management could provide a better salary and a more secure future, that could off course have something to do with it.
M-Sport is not a factory team, so former factory driver M-Sport will be a step back.
EVEN Management has several codrivers in their system, and they have drivers coming up that could need an experienced codriver - like OC Veiby, and off course Pontus.
Since the decision came quit abruptly, and just after the end with Citroëm and the new beginning with M-Sport was announced, I would think this could have something to do with it?
Yes money and perspective could have a role, especially money :)
That's what I thought too. I've asked it because maybe there were some more solid source than our intuition but it appears not. Jeez those drivers and co-drivers are so reserved...
I'm still looking for the reason why Mikkelsen stopped with Floene and went with Markkula before going to VW but it's hard to find something...
Ola and Andreas was just tired of each other, and needed that brake to get together again.
The M-sport deal was ready for 3 months ago, so Jonas could easily find a earlier time to give Mads a hint about his future.
Good future and paycheck is probably some of the thing.
Come to some ERC event next year, in a pub at the beer I will tell you the truth ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by AL14
Well I can offer you this by now. :beer: and you can use the PM button if you wish ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by PLuto
Becs Williams @Becsywecsy
'Regroup' podcast still coming together... Just spoke with Malcolm Wilson... a must listen for all the people convinced that Camilli paid for his drive.
Malcolm also talks about how he got Camilli signed up and what he hopes the Frenchman will achieve. We chat about Elfyn also & whether we'll see him in '16.
Should be interesting !
Meeke to Toyota? http://beta.autosport.com/news/repor...oyota-wrc-deal
This silly season should have been a boring one but it is turning out to be one of the most interesting. And by the way very good move by Kris.Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
Would be sensible for Toyota as well, by having him as a test driver for next year. Would be a shame not to see him in action in any rally in '16 though.
Yeah a Citroen deal would surely have meant a decent amount of rally seat time for Kris, even if just in an R5 at some points.
But sometimes you have to take a step back to move forward and I think it's worth it to get a full manufacturer deal sorted.
Meeke/Latvala would be some line-up!
I agree the silly season has been very exciting. Definitely two new drivers now for Citroen in 2017? And who will develope the new car now?
That could be a bit of a problem I'm afraid for Citroen. Which proven winner will be available (and wanting to go) in 2017? Maybe they should aim for Latvala because I don't see Ogier leaving VW.Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
Wow, that would really surprise me - wouldn't surprise me for Toyota to go for Meeke, but I thought Citroen would have sorted out a deal with him by now, otherwise the decision not to keep Mads looks even more shaky - building a car around Lefevbre is hardly seems the stuff championships are made of.
The only other name I could think of in that development role would be Solberg, but if the rumours are correct that he won't be with Citroen/DS in WRX next year either, I'm at a loss as to who they're going to find available.
Even if they have a Neuville or Latvala sorted for 2017, their current employer won't be letting them drive it until next December.