Rally Italia Sardegna 2015

Protasov?

EDIT: He is fine. The time was just missing...

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Originally Posted by Rallyper

Is Sardinia a slow rally? To me I think it is. Also explains why less experienced drivers can be up the front. A fast rally for sure sift out the boys from men.

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Apart from paddon who less experienced was on the front?

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Originally Posted by dimviii

Ucci about 12 sec faster from Protasov at final split.

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Ucci 7 sec behind Protasov overall

Al Arabi - crazy......32 sec on SS18 and 50!!! sec on SS19

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Originally Posted by AP-Racing

Al Arabi - crazy......32 sec on SS18 and 50!!! sec on SS19

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To whom? Lappi has slightly faster splits now by the way.

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Originally Posted by AP-Racing

Al Arabi - crazy......32 sec on SS18 and 50!!! sec on SS19

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seems that Protasov and Ucci want to finish and they are not pushing hard.Al Kuwari 18 sec faster from Ucci,Kopecky same.

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Originally Posted by Mirek

To whom? Lappi has slightly faster splits now by the way.

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to Protasov

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Originally Posted by dimviii

seems that Protasov and Ucci want to finish and they are not pushing hard.Al Kuwari 18 sec faster from Ucci,Kopecky same.

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Pity of that stupid penalty for Kopecký. It could be three-way battle and that would be more interesting.

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Originally Posted by dimviii

seems that Protasov and Ucci want to finish and they are not pushing hard.Al Kuwari 18 sec faster from Ucci,Kopecky same.

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Yes, but Nasser fastest on every stage today

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Originally Posted by AP-Racing

Al Arabi - crazy......32 sec on SS18 and 50!!! sec on SS19

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From WRC2 Lappi, Andreucci and Kopecky have set similarly competitive times during the rally.

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Originally Posted by Rallyper

Is Sardinia a slow rally? To me I think it is. Also explains why less experienced drivers can be up the front. A fast rally for sure sift out the boys from men.

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Looking at Paddon's onboards from Day1 from WRC+, there's nothing slow in Sardinia... Things happen incredibly fast!

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Originally Posted by N.O.T

still i think Mr.Keiser would be more nose end first today... even without the gearbox problems that made the hyundai not a very nose end first car.

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LOL, "Mr. Keiser" :D

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Originally Posted by AP-Racing

Yes, but Nasser fastest on every stage today

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Check again..

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Originally Posted by RS

From WRC2 Lappi, Andreucci and Kopecky have set similarly competitive times during the rally.

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You forgot Protasov (for me a nice surprise) :)

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Originally Posted by Mirek

You forgot Protasov (for me a nice surprise) :)

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Protasov at last rallies have progress in terms of speed.

borl day 2
https://youtu.be/ZW-7xyCviog

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Originally Posted by RS

Check again..

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Lappi now 5th overall on Monte Lerno :p

WRC2 stage wins so far...

Lappi 5
Nasser 5
Andreucci 4
Protasov 2
Kopecký 1
Lefebvre 1
Camilli 1

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Originally Posted by dimviii

Protasov at last rallies have progress in terms of speed.

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Yes, I know but I remember his first steps abroad. He was driving some our national rallies with Evo IX and nobody would ever guess he would become so fast ;)

There is nothing bad Paddon should feel about after today. Car failure happens and it is not driver's fault, every driver wants to win, but perhaps it's not his time yet and may be for the better.

Everybody are in Service but Paddon is still quite far away. Can he make it in time?

was there a press conference already?

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Originally Posted by Eli

was there a press conference already?

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yes there was, very exciting press conference, one of the best conferences of the last 3 years at least... pity you missed it, but it was so good they plan to replay it in a few hours

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Originally Posted by N.O.T

yes there was, very exciting press conference, one of the best conferences of the last 3 years at least... pity you missed it, but it was so good they plan to replay it in a few hours

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was it so bad that you had to answer with sarcasm, you could just say yes.

Paddon arrived to service at 21:30

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Originally Posted by Rallyper

Is Sardinia a slow rally? To me I think it is. Also explains why less experienced drivers can be up the front. A fast rally for sure sift out the boys from men.

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What is a slow rally?
What is a fast rally?
Is the deciding factor the average stage speed?

In my opinion another factor is more important, and that is the frequency of inputs pr minute.
As the inputs pr minute increase, the stress factor rises, and You have to act quicker, which again puts more demand on Your abilities.
Its all about the computing power of the individual driver.

A rally can be slow, (Sardinia last year) but have a high ratio of inputs pr minute.
A rally can be fast (Rally Finland) but have a lower ratio of inputs pr minute.

It can also be measured in different ways, but the important factor is how many parameters pr minute the driver has to react to.

If You take Rally Finland, it has a completely different ratio now, than what it had 10 years ago, and a very different ratio to what it had 20 years ago. This is because of technical development.

The WRC have some of the most brilliant engineers on the planet, and every year they do a tremendous job reducing the amount of inputs the driver has to react to.

In Finland in 1986, with a group B rally car, You had tremendous power, but - compared to today - awful suspension, differentials, aerodynamics and tires. This meant that Rally Finland was a high frequency rally, and a "fast" rally. You had to not only manage the turns, but also the elevation, and the jumps.

With hugely better suspension, better tires, better aerodynamics, and a lower amount of power, You can now be flat a lot of places that would be absolutely unthinkable in earlier years. (This was exemplified last year, which was the first year ever the WRC drivers could be flat over the big jumps at Ruuhimäki.)
The technical development that has taken place, that have in effect "flattened" the Finnish stages.

(But in Finland You have to be able to handle the physical and mental stress of high speed.)

And, on the other hand You have "slow" rallies, that really are fast/high frequency and high input. Because they have a lot of turns pr km, the inputs increase and if you combine this with other factors like low grip (which can work both ways), rocks and different hurdles, then You have a rally that requires more computing power.

This frequency can off course change in a single stage, and from stage to stage in a single event.

To be able to stay in Your comfort zone as the frequency rises, You have to have a high level of automatization of reactions to input, so that You have the surplus computing power to be able to react to not scheduled inputs, like rocks in the road, different grip levels, etc. You also reduce the needed mental computing power needed to keep the car on the road, if You have a good relation between speed and risk. (Driving technique/style).

If You should give drivers scores You could combine the ability to handle high frequencies, the ratio between risk and speed in their driving style, and their pace notes.

Lund is right... speed doesn't matter if you are nose end first enough you conquer everything.

Thats why prokop won the first stage,i was wondering why.

For me THE driver of the rally,RESPECT!i wonder if he uses nose end first technique???????

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Originally Posted by Lundefaret

What is a slow rally?
What is a fast rally?
Is the deciding factor the average stage speed?

In my opinion another factor is more important, and that is the frequency of inputs pr minute.
As the inputs pr minute increase, the stress factor rises, and You have to act quicker, which again puts more demand on Your abilities.
Its all about the computing power of the individual driver.

A rally can be slow, (Sardinia last year) but have a high ratio of inputs pr minute.
A rally can be fast (Rally Finland) but have a lower ratio of inputs pr minute.

It can also be measured in different ways, but the important factor is how many parameters pr minute the driver has to react to.

If You take Rally Finland, it has a completely different ratio now, than what it had 10 years ago, and a very different ratio to what it had 20 years ago. This is because of technical development.

The WRC have some of the most brilliant engineers on the planet, and every year they do a tremendous job reducing the amount of inputs the driver has to react to.

In Finland in 1986, with a group B rally car, You had tremendous power, but - compared to today - awful suspension, differentials, aerodynamics and tires. This meant that Rally Finland was a high frequency rally, and a "fast" rally. You had to not only manage the turns, but also the elevation, and the jumps.

With hugely better suspension, better tires, better aerodynamics, and a lower amount of power, You can now be flat a lot of places that would be absolutely unthinkable in earlier years. (This was exemplified last year, which was the first year ever the WRC drivers could be flat over the big jumps at Ruuhimäki.)
The technical development that has taken place, that have in effect "flattened" the Finnish stages.

(But in Finland You have to be able to handle the physical and mental stress of high speed.)

And, on the other hand You have "slow" rallies, that really are fast/high frequency and high input. Because they have a lot of turns pr km, the inputs increase and if you combine this with other factors like low grip (which can work both ways), rocks and different hurdles, then You have a rally that requires more computing power.

This frequency can off course change in a single stage, and from stage to stage in a single event.

To be able to stay in Your comfort zone as the frequency rises, You have to have a high level of automatization of reactions to input, so that You have the surplus computing power to be able to react to not scheduled inputs, like rocks in the road, different grip levels, etc. You also reduce the needed mental computing power needed to keep the car on the road, if You have a good relation between speed and risk. (Driving technique/style).

If You should give drivers scores You could combine the ability to handle high frequencies, the ratio between risk and speed in their driving style, and their pace notes.

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That's been interesting, how fast the driver is, and how fast the car is. Monte is great example of high level of inputs also, and Rohrl has great success there, while not great in Finland for some reasons, how to analyse that? I guess it comes down to basic "instincts".

Video incl. Paddon spin :

https://youtu.be/UMJB1dE3FCA

Jumps & max attack:

https://youtu.be/QbJez3avWfo

Off topic
Live streaming video link in english for le mans?

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Originally Posted by nafpaktos

Off topic
Live streaming video link in english for le mans?

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http://www.vipleague.me/motorsports/...am-online.html

Paddon arriving back at Service: https://twitter.com/HyundaiWRC/statu...18539738963969

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Originally Posted by nafpaktos

Off topic
Live streaming video link in english for le mans?

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Try this... HD

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/uk18611

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Originally Posted by Lundefaret

What is a slow rally?
What is a fast rally?
Is the deciding factor the average stage speed?

In my opinion another factor is more important, and that is the frequency of inputs pr minute.
As the inputs pr minute increase, the stress factor rises, and You have to act quicker, which again puts more demand on Your abilities.
Its all about the computing power of the individual driver.

A rally can be slow, (Sardinia last year) but have a high ratio of inputs pr minute.
A rally can be fast (Rally Finland) but have a lower ratio of inputs pr minute.

It can also be measured in different ways, but the important factor is how many parameters pr minute the driver has to react to.

If You take Rally Finland, it has a completely different ratio now, than what it had 10 years ago, and a very different ratio to what it had 20 years ago. This is because of technical development.

The WRC have some of the most brilliant engineers on the planet, and every year they do a tremendous job reducing the amount of inputs the driver has to react to.

In Finland in 1986, with a group B rally car, You had tremendous power, but - compared to today - awful suspension, differentials, aerodynamics and tires. This meant that Rally Finland was a high frequency rally, and a "fast" rally. You had to not only manage the turns, but also the elevation, and the jumps.

With hugely better suspension, better tires, better aerodynamics, and a lower amount of power, You can now be flat a lot of places that would be absolutely unthinkable in earlier years. (This was exemplified last year, which was the first year ever the WRC drivers could be flat over the big jumps at Ruuhimäki.)
The technical development that has taken place, that have in effect "flattened" the Finnish stages.

(But in Finland You have to be able to handle the physical and mental stress of high speed.)

And, on the other hand You have "slow" rallies, that really are fast/high frequency and high input. Because they have a lot of turns pr km, the inputs increase and if you combine this with other factors like low grip (which can work both ways), rocks and different hurdles, then You have a rally that requires more computing power.

This frequency can off course change in a single stage, and from stage to stage in a single event.

To be able to stay in Your comfort zone as the frequency rises, You have to have a high level of automatization of reactions to input, so that You have the surplus computing power to be able to react to not scheduled inputs, like rocks in the road, different grip levels, etc. You also reduce the needed mental computing power needed to keep the car on the road, if You have a good relation between speed and risk. (Driving technique/style).

If You should give drivers scores You could combine the ability to handle high frequencies, the ratio between risk and speed in their driving style, and their pace notes.

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And...? "(But in Finland You have to be able to handle the physical and mental stress of high speed.)" That´s what I mean. But you´re probaly right in everything. Still I have point because a slower rally makes your mind more spaceful for all the other inputs if - and if - they increase. And boys without balls can easily have the same speed in slow corners as their masters.

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Originally Posted by nafpaktos

For me THE driver of the rally,RESPECT!i wonder if he uses nose end first technique???????

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Agree...must be already fisically demanding for 50 years old man to cope with this high temperatures, keep the contrencation & motivation....and still fight with drivers half younger.....

Unfortunatelly Uccis performance tells more about the level of competitors in WRC2 than himself.

Then Paddon again had a problem... Oh my.

From Prokop: "The oil pump just cracked like a nut." The engine was unfortunatelly damaged and he couldn't restart today.

Oh my, still in a very bad mood because of Paddon's and Tänak's problems yesterday:(, the stars for me this rally.

Ostberg looses a minute now...