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Originally Posted by Ucci
And again-Robert Kubica !! He destroyed his WRC2 competition on tarmac, drove a relaxed third day and won a championship !! My god, who would think something like this 12 months or even two years ago, after his horror accident??? Nobody. Do not forget, man is still on a way to recovery! And already a champion....Well, the reward is following in a form of a real WRC car.
Kubica showed his pace already before this season and knowing the level of his opponents in WRC2 it was clear already before start that the only one who could defeat him was himself. The true challenge will start next year in Monte Carlo.
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Re: Rally RACC España Catalunya
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Originally Posted by Ucci
What a great day!! And what a demonstration of one Superman-Ogier!! He has completely humiliated his opponents, after this epic battle they really look like a bunch of fools....I think after this rally it will be much easier for Matton to get rid of Sordo & Hirvonen....It is still a question, who to hire instead of those two ''snails'', there is not much to choose from (if the main target is Ogier).
Second who showed mature driving-Paddon. He did what was told to him : gain experience, drive to the finish. Do not make same mistakes as Meeke....
And again-Robert Kubica !! He destroyed his WRC2 competition on tarmac, drove a relaxed third day and won a championship !! My god, who would think something like this 12 months or even two years ago, after his horror accident??? Nobody. Do not forget, man is still on a way to recovery! And already a champion....Well, the reward is following in a form of a real WRC car.
Paddon also showed us that he is no where near as quick as Meeke. I thought Paddon would try to show more speed than he did, however I never rated him anyway.
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Ogier is fantastic fast, but.....
This rally is signal, that we now can tell, He will win 5-10 title's(if not happen's someting). Rally's will be interesting only from 2nd place.
Paddon - PR is better then his speed.
What happen with Ostberg? :(
Novikov, I think, have order's, no destroyed car's this year....
I realy hope that Neuvile will stay in Ford for next Year.
Shame for JML, he in VW will always be nr.2 :((((( (funny, but his car have mistic problem's when Ogier must win...)
2014' could be better with driver's like Meeke, Hanninen, Kubica, Tanak, Ketomaa.......
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You should try video games forums or soccer forum Slowson, you would be like a fish in water.
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Re: Rally RACC España Catalunya
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Originally Posted by Ucci
What a great day!! And what a demonstration of one Superman-Ogier!! He has completely humiliated his opponents, after this epic battle they really look like a bunch of fools....I think after this rally it will be much easier for Matton to get rid of Sordo & Hirvonen....It is still a question, who to hire instead of those two ''snails'', there is not much to choose from (if the main target is Ogier).
Second who showed mature driving-Paddon. He did what was told to him : gain experience, drive to the finish. Do not make same mistakes as Meeke....
And again-Robert Kubica !! He destroyed his WRC2 competition on tarmac, drove a relaxed third day and won a championship !! My god, who would think something like this 12 months or even two years ago, after his horror accident??? Nobody. Do not forget, man is still on a way to recovery! And already a champion....Well, the reward is following in a form of a real WRC car.
Yes, Ogier is at the moment "Superman". The others: a bunch of fools, snails?? Cmon!
And what should Matton choose? Refuse the man on the podium this weekend? Who else will have that speed. The schoolboys need to be educated first.
That is very important to have in mind, Before raising the guys competing to the skies, one or two races a year for practise and thinking they will compete about 2nd?
Even TN showed he has not consistency over several rallies. So the situation is like it is and to me very boring.
Let´s wait and see what we think next year around this time...
The boys in 2nd - 7-8th places will continue to challenge next year. The others (schoolboys) have to wait Another year or so...
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Originally Posted by Rallyper
The boys in 2nd - 7-8th places will continue to challenge next year. The others (schoolboys) have to wait Another year or so...
Continue to challenge? Other than Neuville (and possibly Latvala) who has been challenging?
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VW has much better car at the moment then oposition...
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Originally Posted by SlowSon
Trimester??? :confused:
Is (s)he pregnant?
sorry :D
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Originally Posted by Jafry
Where I can get Capitto's t-shirt?
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Is it my impression or the daily highlights of this rally were not broadcasted in any TV station? If I learned anything after all these years of Internet, is that if something airs on TV it will available online as a torrent shortly after. And now, contrary to every single other WRC event, I can't seem to find the rally Spain daily highlights anywhere. All I can find is a preview programme.
Zero interest by TV stations or relapse torrenting groups?
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I was expecting better performance from neuville, mikko and paddon.
Seems that vw has an upper hand in car's performance. Congrats to Kubica and lets hope he can fullfill his
dream and go back in single seater. ( allthough i would live to see him in a wrc official team)
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Originally Posted by GINE
Seems that vw has an upper hand in car's performance
I think it will be a good idea to start a new discussion in a few days, when we exhaust the videos and photogalleries from Spain, about only the tehnical differences among the present WRC cars:
What possible differences can teams make, when turbos, brakes, dampers and some parts of engines and transmissions are supplied from external companies?
Build and improve their own aerodynamics, peripherials, engine maps, suspension/differential setups...
Are they more likely assemblers than "manufacturers"?
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Originally Posted by SlowSon
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Originally Posted by GINE
Seems that vw has an upper hand in car's performance
I think it will be a good idea to start a new discussion in a few days, when we exhaust the videos and photogalleries from Spain, about
only the tehnical differences among the present WRC cars:
What possible differences can teams make, when turbos, brakes, dampers and some parts of engines and transmissions are supplied from external companies?
Build and improve their own aerodynamics, peripherials, engine maps, suspension/differential setups...
Are they more likely assemblers than "manufacturers"?
I read somewhere VW has many parts manufactured for Polo especially, I'm not sure about the number, but it was big number.
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Originally Posted by N.O.T
yes thats why Latvala was told to just finish.
Can be but JML had also problems with the front differential lock on last three stages.
http://www.mtv3.fi/urheilu/ralli/uut...ikkamurheisiin
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VW Motorsport site states there were no team orders for the win.
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Teamorders or not. Something made JML loose so much more than usually under that circumstances. Maybe front diff or just the unspoken pressure from Capito?
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Maybe it's Ogier who's quicker...
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Originally Posted by Rallyper
Teamorders or not. Something made JML loose so much more than usually under that circumstances. Maybe front diff or just the unspoken pressure from Capito?
Please don't start this again. We had it on the table for years with Sordo...
There was no reason for team orders pushing Ogier ahead. It's JML who needs points to catch Neuville in the overall standings. Ogier is already champion and for manufacturer title it doesn't matter who of them is first and who is second.
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for the history records everything matters
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Originally Posted by GINE
Seems that vw has an upper hand in car's performance.
explain please.
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Originally Posted by Mirek
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Originally Posted by Rallyper
Teamorders or not. Something made JML loose so much more than usually under that circumstances. Maybe front diff or just the unspoken pressure from Capito?
Please don't start this again. We had it on the table for years with Sordo...
There was no reason for team orders pushing Ogier ahead. It's JML who needs points to catch Neuville in the overall standings. Ogier is already champion and for manufacturer title it doesn't matter who of them is first and who is second.
they did not issue orders for Ogier to win, they just told Latvala that winning the manufacturers championship is more important than him winning the event, his 2nd loop times indicate that. That doesn't take anything away from Ogiers win, it was just a bit dissapointing that Latvala did not fight for the win.
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Re: Rally RACC España Catalunya
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Originally Posted by Mirek
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Originally Posted by Rallyper
Teamorders or not. Something made JML loose so much more than usually under that circumstances. Maybe front diff or just the unspoken pressure from Capito?
Please don't start this again. We had it on the table for years with Sordo...
There was no reason for team orders pushing Ogier ahead. It's JML who needs points to catch Neuville in the overall standings. Ogier is already champion and for manufacturer title it doesn't matter who of them is first and who is second.
One thing is to become a champ.
Another is to get the manu title signed to your account, too, at the VW debuet in the very first WRC year.
At the end of the day the statistic is all that counts and makes one "great".
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Originally Posted by N.O.T
they just told Latvala that winning the manufacturers championship is more important than him winning the event, his 2nd loop times indicate that
VW clinched the title at the moment of Sordo's retirement. They had 80-point advantage before the rally, so even a double non-finish from VW and a win for Hirvonen wouldn't brought the difference to less than 48 points (i.e. max for a rally).
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Originally Posted by kober
less than 48 points (i.e. max for a rally).
Maximum score for manufacturer is 25 + 18 = 43.
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Originally Posted by jonkka
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Originally Posted by kober
less than 48 points (i.e. max for a rally).
Maximum score for manufacturer is 25 + 18 = 43.
+3 +2 for power stage points. ;)
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Originally Posted by EightGear
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Originally Posted by jonkka
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Originally Posted by kober
less than 48 points (i.e. max for a rally).
Maximum score for
manufacturer is 25 + 18 = 43.
+3 +2 for power stage points. ;)
Power stage points are for drivers only.
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video with Sordos incar when broke suspension
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vnae0BhlMSk
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Watching these videos the Ford's seem to understeer quite a lot in relation to the other WRC cars. Not an armchair critic, just an observation.
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Re: Rally RACC España Catalunya
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Originally Posted by Mirek
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Originally Posted by Ucci
And again-Robert Kubica !! He destroyed his WRC2 competition on tarmac, drove a relaxed third day and won a championship !! My god, who would think something like this 12 months or even two years ago, after his horror accident??? Nobody. Do not forget, man is still on a way to recovery! And already a champion....Well, the reward is following in a form of a real WRC car.
Kubica showed his pace already before this season and knowing the level of his opponents in WRC2 it was clear already before start that the only one who could defeat him was himself. The true challenge will start next year in Monte Carlo.
I see that someone on this forum still did not realize, in what kind of condition Robert is (how limited is movement of his right arm).
Yes, Robert showed extraordinary speed on tarmac, but the gravel was (and partially still is....) a completely unknown territory for Polish driver.
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Originally Posted by makinen_fan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1S_XZMSIOQ
Dear Dani Sordo, your boss Matton will kick your ass out of the team the same way as you did it to your DS3...
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Re: Rally RACC España Catalunya
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Originally Posted by Ucci
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Originally Posted by makinen_fan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1S_XZMSIOQ
Dear Dani Sordo, your boss Matton will kick your ass out of the team the same way as you did it to your DS3...
There was hundreds of cuts like that in this rally without any kind of broken parts, it was a question of bad luck mainly. If he goes out of Citroen will be for other reasons, not for this rally. We will see, but most of the other options for Citroen are less reliable.
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next year I was thinking about going to Spain, I watched few videos and there are couple of nice places for watching, for instance let's take this one,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syfOCx_eSrc
where is that roundabout at the beginning ?
I found a nice website with detailed special stage routes
http://www.rally-maps.com/home
maybe you know any spanish wrc forum where I could as for that ? :)