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Hänninen + Neuville or Ostberg + Paddon or Abbring for 3rd... That would be definitely the best decision. :)
Ford will not let neuville go easily
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I think he will stay if only qatar extend the contract with m-sport or ford come back and take him as a factory driver.Quote:
Originally Posted by andyone
Exactly, what is to stop there being a Qatar Team Hyundai? We don't know yet if they (or VW come to think) will be selling customer cars which will make an interesting scenarioQuote:
Originally Posted by Vaggelis27
In this interview, Alain Penasse says they plan to field just 2 cars, one for an experienced and fast driver and the second car for a young and talented driver who can grow within the team like Loeb and Ogier at Citroen.
Interview: Le Team Hyundai WRC dans les starting-blocks
Hanninen would presumably be that first driver so I don't think Hyundai will be looking to have Neuville/Ostberg/Meeke/PGA based on this interview.
And will be intersting that 2nd driver (if Neuville or Ostberg) will be quicker than the 1st one. Hanninen could know the car better but wil miss fresh experience from many WRC rounds. Also not much experience in WRC car for me a bit supprise that they selected as 1st driver but deffinitly good that he will have regular WRC seat.Quote:
Originally Posted by EightGear
Neuville won't leave the M-Sport team.... Østberg is under performing... He will do a switch. Hirvonen won't be at Citroen any time past December 2013...
Last year many people thought Neuville would not leave Citroën either... It's simple, he should take the best offer he gets, and I'm quite sure he will have 3 possibilities for next year... If Ford/M-Sport/Qatar wants to keep him, it's up to them to make him stay :)
The whole point is that Neuville isn't with M Sport, he's with Qatar - purely Nasser's talent spot. Now Hyundai say they want a young developing driver to back Hanninen - that rules out both PG and Kris.Quote:
Originally Posted by GigiGalliNo1
as it should. Both are yesterdays news and neither was a headline.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mintexmemory
Should be Tidemand then. At the moment one of the most talented youngsters.
Really ? What's he done?
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Originally Posted by Rallyper
Look up the results of Tidemand in Ypres...
Juho named as the official test driver
HYUNDAI || News
Ypres is not a rally.Quote:
Originally Posted by EightGear
Well, guys. A man can be blind or even stupid. You have to look at the whole picture. If you hint that he´s not competent enough as a youngster driver for Hyundai, you have to considder it once again.Quote:
Originally Posted by EightGear
Juho Hänninen Hyundain testikuljettajaksi | Cision Wire
Juho is confirmed as a test driver for 2013...
Stop trolling.Quote:
Originally Posted by SlowSon
Good luck to him!Quote:
Originally Posted by donlorean
tidemand is not the big talent hyundai needs. he's not slow, but i doubt he will ever reach the level required to become a factory driver.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
but perhaps, who knows what wil happen if he can go on long enough. look at ostberg.
Hanaaaaaaa Juho! Just brilliant!
it's only a matter of time they will expose the fact that Juho is their official number 1 driver. it will be very intresting who will join him: ostberg,neuville,atkinson,meeke,maybe even novikov???
If I would be Hyundai, then I think I need to take a little gamble. There are basically three young drivers who have showed that they are able to win stages on gravel and tarmac and have led rallies at some point, but consistency needs some work. These are Neuville, Novikov and Tänak. Novikov needs some more practice on tarmac (He has too many moments on tarmac), we do not know what kind of agreement Neuville has (he need to be more careful with overcutting - most of his retirements look very similar - Spain 2012, MC2013, Portugal2013 ) and Tänak has missed half year of competition in WRC, but looks like he has learned a lot in terms of driving on the limit and over the limit while competing in local rallies.
Ostberg is rather youngbut very experienced - 59 starts in WRC? plus numerous starts at local level
Meeke - fastest british driver, but he will be 35 nex year already. I cannot consider him as a young driver
Atkinson - Hi will be 35 next year as well+ has not shown nothing impressive in recent years.
Kubica - I think he has something lobger with Citroen and maybe he is more interested in returning to the track
And otehrs are still too unknown
Tidemand was in the lead, the he got two punctures. I guess that´s why he wasen´t in the top...Quote:
Originally Posted by EightGear
I repeat if you didn´t understand. Tidemand is at the moment one out of three youngster drivers who he is really fast and have the capacity to be a world champion in the future. Before you say anything else look at his results and times.Quote:
Originally Posted by denkimi
Put him on your ignore list in stead of quoting him. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
@Bluuford. How do you estimate Martin Kangur? He has always been very impressive to me, but somehow he seems to be "stuck" in his position. But now we finally see him in a 4WD "top-"car. Do you have some background information about this driver?
Kangur belongs to the same generation as Kruuda and Plangi. They formed so called Aava-Sikk youth rally team. I think he was the fastest of these three.. if I remember correctly. I know that he has been fighting with Koitla in 2WD and he has at least one 2WD Estonian title (from the time when it was ultra competitive series). He has never driven 4WD car but I think that he will be fast. I am looking forward to his start. in Rally Estonia. He is still only 20 years old.Quote:
Originally Posted by tommeke_B
There have been two problems in his career:
1.Problem with 2WD Honda was the reason that it is not a proper rally car. Kangur always drives 100% and mostly suspension, axle, fuel pump or smth like this gave up.
2. I think he has had at least 11 different co-drivers. And I think that main reason has been the lack of time of his co-drivers (Sikk, Ken and Martin Järveoja, Kristo Kraag, Silver Kütt, Ots Andres, Jarmo Võsa, Simo Koskinen.. etc.)
Just a small correction. Aava-Sikk youth team was Kangur, Kruuda and Pärn. When they changed the C2 R2s for R3, then Pärn drove with the Renault Clio and Kangur and Kruuda went for the Honda Civic R3. The base livery of Kangur's, Kruuda's and Plangi's Honda looked very similar.Quote:
Originally Posted by bluuford
I think estimating guys who´d never driven a 4WD is not reallly serious, even if they are talented we should talk about documently fast youngsters IN 4WD. Because they are going into a team with 4WD cars only, right?
I know among those two or three we have clearly Pontus Tidemand. His abilities of being an asset in developing a new WRC-car is not known as well as it isn´t for anyone of the current youngsters.
Cant' agree with you on this. Look how both Loeb and Ogier were picked up by Citroen, they both stared in 2WD categories and then they were given a chance in the top team right away. But... these two are the exception than the ruleQuote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
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Yes, they are exceptions as you say. And that´s what I mean. Youngsters like Seb and Seb are not excisting at the moment and that´s why we should be very cautious talking about guys whom there are tenth of in every european country, without mentioning those who are clearly already fast and driving 4WD internationally.Quote:
Originally Posted by makinen_fan
So You think everybody knew who the Sebs would become when they signed them for their junior teams? Come on...Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
@ Rallyper, I dare you to call some names, of drivers who were extremely fast in a proper FWD-competition, but lacked the speed in 4WD. I have plenty of examples where it didn't take long to get "top" in 4WD too... I think you should not differ too much. It's not like FWD and 4WD are completely different worlds. I strongly believe that, if you are a great driver with a FWD car, you can be a great driver in a 4WD car as well.
And I don't think Martin Kangur is "one out of 10", his car control is amazing. He showed to be extremely fast on tarmac also, what he did in Ypres last year was mindblowing.
I don´t right them down. I just think we should be serious and think like they´d do at Huyndai.
@Mirek, what we´re discussing isn´t where to pick unproved18 yrs young guys at 2WD. We´re naming possible youngsters for Hyundai WRC-team.
I´m sure Seb and Seb showed exceptional talent way beyond the guys the discussion is about now, and before naming three names from one country we should look all around Europe for tarmac- as well as gravel and ice/snowspecialists. One could wish to be a bit more selective. I wouldn´t even dream of naming three guys from Sweden (except for PT) at this time of Hyundai´s stage. That´s what I mean. Hope you´ll get what I want to say.
You're right about that Rallyper, maybe I should have posted my question elsewhere, since it's not related to Hyundai in any way. For a young driver (not counting the young current WRC-drivers) I would say Paddon, Breen and Abbring are most likely in my opinion. These 3 are great drivers, but great personalities as well, and that's an important factor also (see Ott Tanak).
I´m not PT´s manager but have you seen his website or blog? PT is a mediaman as well as a proven very good driver. You should have him in as well beside your three guys... :)
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I think we need a break from all those "media people". Instead we need a driver with a character who is a very good driver. If there's a character, there's fan and media interest. And if the guy has the capability to win, then everything is great.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper