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I think that RBR is so hard because it literally just throws you in the deep end. 300 BHP, 4WD, narrow stages, realistic physics. It was never going to be easy. such a realistic game, needed a realistic introduction to ease the learning curve.
I love taking the 205 GTi for spin. you really can just floor it. the limit seems to be never-ending. great car to learn RBR in. especially tarmac
Oh great answear Andy! Thank you!
One week to go and I can't wait! ;) I'm in Rome in Italy when the game comes to my mailbox back at home in Sweden so next weekend I will play some WRC 3 all night long! :D
Oh yes LCD, I know that RBR is off topic ;) but I need to compered with that game sometimes and I only saying that the game - RBR is'nt that good anymore when all the modds have came the physics is not so realistic anymore and I only saying that Milestone will beat that game in the future.. ;)
MEXICO VIDEO!!!
Rally Guanajuato Mexico Gameplay Video - YouTube
Actually, watching the exhaust of the MINI... the flames don't come from the Exhaust.... hrmmmmmm can you spot this too?
Great video !
Many negative comments on youtube. :confused:
I think it looks great and most importantly the handling ( in the demo ) is spot on..for me!
I have compared the sound to the linked video( real sound ) and of course this sounds nothing like it.
But while driving the demo I think the sound is ok,nothing that bothers me during the race.
Want this game NOW ! :p :)
Jojje
Really nice, the Mini looks like the nice Mini that it is! :p the stage is going to look absolutly beautiful on my PC next weekend! :)
The sound is far from good but it's A LOT better then previews games and can only be better but I can absolutly play and smile with this beautiful and I think, very satisfying rally kind of sim! ;)
Really good job at Milestone! Very big improvments! :)
To me it seems as so the car is extremely grippy on the gravel. There is almost no powersliding at all?
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Finland stage looks nice, the physics look much poorer than it felt on the demo
Have the sound technicians been drunk while making this game? The C2R2, Lancer and the Proton sound absolutely horrible! I had really got my hopes up for the final product, but it seems they have done almost nothing sound wise from last year.
It's possitive each class has Its own sounds though.
I think that is the least we can expect from the game, that the car classes have their own sounds. They have an exclusive license, and should make the very most of it! Come on LCD, up your expectations and demands a little bit ;)
A little off topic, but Important news:
WRCgame Greek Fans facebook community are rallying with WRC3 In a real rally event
supporting crew Hlias Kolokythas-Nikos Ntovas with a Ford Escort MK2 at 1st Meteora Rocks Rally Sprint this weekend 6-7 October (GREECE)!
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Now that I look at this videos I think that the game is going to be as we sad before, really good, the graphics will be really good, the cars is more or less really beautiful done! The cars looks like they do in real more or less and that's good!
The thing Milestone really has to rebuilt and think really hard how it has being this bad is the sound of cars. I can't understand this when everybody say that this is live-recorded??????????????
The sound of the Proton, DS3 WRC, Evo 9, Clio, Fiesta WRC is good when the car stand still in the start of stage when the player not accelerate the engine - then I really hear the individual sound of each and every car. There all is good BUT as we accelerate away and the car is "working" in full speed, something happends and the sound of each and every car "dies" and sounds the same?? why???
I hear that every class has it "own" sound and that's good but it's not okey. As Bennizw sad - we need to have demands and this is the WRC license that Milestone have - they need to do better on the car sounds...
I can hear a little EVO sound from the Mitsubishi in full power and that's also good but it's much much more to do for the future of WRC 4! Because then, Milestone has had 3 games and a lot of time on their hands to fix this small things!
As Bennisw wrote, I only demand that all things in a WRC game is going to be as real as it can be in a game! And if Codemasters can do "okey" sounds, then I think Milestone with their "live recording" soundsystem can do much better then this! And when amatur people around the world can do almost perfect car sound for RBR, then Milestone can do it for the real WRC game!
For me it's okey if Milestone had say that they for WRC 3 had to prio the graphics, physics and other stuff instead of car sound. And if they had sad that the real sound had to wait for example the WRC 4 game. Then it's absolutely okey!
But don't say that "the sound now is going to be real and now we have live-recorded each and every car, inside and outside". That's a lie... ;)
This game is going to be great but I hope for much better improvements in all the things for next year! They need to step it up and not be satisfied...
Now when they have done really good stages in their "new" built rallys, then they need to fix the rest!
But I have said this before. Milestone has done a great work because we can no longer speak about the last two ****ty games when we talk about this one and that make me smile! They have done a good job but Bennizw is right!
Looking forward to next weekend!! :)
Once again we agreed. The main problem is that Milestone are lying about their work. If they said that they have improved the sounds a little, it would have been OK. But, when they say they have recorded the actual cars, and results are as we hear, they are lying to our faces...
Yes and that's a fact! Otherwise it would't be this way. I'm talking about this things because I think that the sound in a rally game is VERY important for the feeling. All of us real rallyfans want the true feeling with the sound and all the small details in the stages and more. It's very important for the whole concept.
The true rallyfeeling....
I only hope that Milestone will work hard on this for next game!
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As someone who has done a little sound work for film and TV I can say it is entirely possible and likely that they are not "lying", and recorded the real cars inside and out and ended up with weak results - keep in mind the system must match the RPM, clutch, shifting, turbo noises to what you're actually doing in the game, so it is playing (ideally) a different sound file for every little gradation of RPM. This is very hard to switch between smoothly and sound responsive and correct. The easier way is to create loops and change the frequency (pitch up or down) instead of using a different loop for the many many steps between idle and redline RPM. The problem with this way is even if you started with a real sound, it ends up sounding synthesized because the computer is changing the frequency rather than using different sounds for each step of RPM. Perhaps that's it?
The other issue is reverberation simulation changing depending on if there's a rock wall on one side or the other, or both, or forest vs. open space, narrow village street, etc. I haven't heard enough of WRC3 to criticise that aspect, but Dirt 3 did both pretty well.
Thank you. You put this way better than I could have.Quote:
Originally Posted by kirungi okwogera
The team definitely aren't lying to you (as far as I know!).
:)
- Andy
Kirungi: You work with this, you seems to know what you're talking about, can you please explane for me and others who wonder...
How can the amatur people get almost perfect car sound, inside and outside for RBR and Codemasters get a okey/good sound for Dirt but Milestone can't??
What do you think is the diffrence? Why do they never succsess on this part of the game?
I cant understand this but want some answear from a guy like you who work with this! :)
For me it sounds easy for a team like codemasters and Milestone to get a Fiesta, DS3 and Mini WRC to sounds like real in a game when the amaturs almost fix this for a old game like RBR??
I like what I see, I do not like what I hear!! :D ;) :)
Lcd: Alan has put out a SSS stage. I can't put it on this forum! Only for info! ;)
Sadly another disappointing engine sound. Sorry if I have been sounding extremely negative the past days, it's just that sound is such an important part in whether a rallying game is enjoyable or not.
I can only agree with Bennizw but in this case I'm sure that I will enjoy WRC 3 anway but I will absolutly be enoyed by this sound! And It will drag down the whole thing a little bit.
They need to do much better, this game with some more details and great sound will be absolutly perfect!!
And I'm sure it will happend for WRC 4...
I cant think of any other way. If Milestone do this good from last game, they must dubbel up the greatness for the 4th game! ;)
Keep on working guys, this will beat the 90+ even with bad sound.. But it's a BIG thing for us rallyfans who LOVE how the beautiful car sounds!
About the Mexico video: Very early lift off on the throttle, so just like Nobre in real life. The car does not have the flag on it, why is this? I think the JCW sounds like it did in WRC2. Standing stage side the car has a sharp bark and the anti-lag system causes a wooshing sound and fire from both exhausts, very unique and hard to describe and replicate. maybe too hard to reproduce?
Can we use the 01B as well as the 01A? It would be a shame not to have both as in the first WRC game we could get the Focus WRC08 and 09 to compare differences.
Can you all stop complaining about the sound? Seriously, have each and everyone of you sat inside a Rally car? yes you've heard them drive past and as we've had an explanation a few posts before.... when you sit inside a rally car.. I have on gravel, not only do you hear the engine rev's and noises in the helmet, and the co-driver, you hear the gravel racketing around... all over the place! Under your feet, in the wheel arches it's ridiculously LOUD! As equal or if not MORE louder then the engine noise! On the outside, yes we've all heard the cars start off and accelerate past us... but it IS difficult to replicate each driver/player pushing the car or braking and changing gear. Milestone have done a great job so far and they have plenty of time to fix things in more games to come! Did everyone complain when WRC1 came out before this 3rd version? How about the older series of the game?!
Yes, I have sat in numerous rally cars, and know how it sounds from inside with the engine sound, gravel, intercom etc. My point is: If Codemasters could replicate amazing engine sounds for DIRT 3, why can only Milestone manage sounds we'd expect from the 90's for WRC3? The fact is that the older series of the game (with Evolution studios between 2001 and 2005), actually had good engine sounds considering the time period they were brought out - therefore there wasn't much complaining on that regard.
Gigi:
Yes, I have... For a very, very long time...
And no, the sound is really poor.
It's not realistic....
It's a very big thing for the whole experience....
You have right, Milestone has done a fantastic job, but NOT with the sound...
And when other people can sit at home and fix great sound for a very old rallygame, and when Milestone have a WRC-license and said that the sound for WRC 3 is now going to be realistic and "live-recorded".....
- Then we have a absolutly right to complain big time!
Listnen to the amatur who has fixed the sound for the 2011 Fiesta WRC in RBR2012...
That's some real ****, listnen to that sound from the inside. That is exactly how it sound inside the Fiesta WRC... And that guy do not own or work at a big develop office...
We have a absolutly right to put some demand on Milestone when they have the license...
The sound is a very very big thing for most of the fans, the sound create the true realism and the goddies to our ears! ;)
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Request: Some of you have already made pretty clear your thoughts on the sounds Issue.
Please don't post the same things again and again, post after post. It's getting quite boring
for visitors to come here and read the same things day after day ;) There must be some more things
about the game you'd like to discuss...
Lcd: Okey, yes there was one more thing... The SOUNDS of the birds.... ;) ;) ;)
I will stop, but I just get going when someone says that the ***** is good... That's just get me going... :D
But thanks for the vids! Very very kind of you! :)
Fine, we'll let the sound issue lay dead for now - untill someone says it's good again ;) I hope Milestone have taken the point that this needs immence improvement for WRC 4.
By the way LCD: Would you make a setup thread for WRC 3 for when it releases? It would be interesting to share setups and see how we can make the cars handle as realistic as possible. I am sure a fair bit can be done.
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Originally Posted by bennizw
Jojje
I understand it guys =)
I know you know... ;) But that thing with the S***D makes me go nuts... :PQuote:
Originally Posted by GigiGalliNo1
I played the demo a little bit more on my PS3 and I can't really wait for my PC version to come home next weekend! It's going to be really good! Nice physics I can tell when playing with no "help".. It's going to be cool with my G27! :P
Nice graphics and nice stages... I will love to drive Sordos Mini! :)
I wanna drive the VW :D See if it's like my new Polo GTI tehehehehehehe
Hehe! Probably not but who knows! :D It's going to be crazy fun! I have looking forward to this for a long time now...Quote:
Originally Posted by GigiGalliNo1
Do Andy or someone know if we in this forum can drove our own rally or championship online as a "locked championship or rally" or is everything open for everyone as in Dirt 3??
It would be so cool if that option was able to do!?
I personally will first drive the championship in single player mod to get good control of stages and my driving style before I challenge you guys! :P
Of course we will all drive our selves and then compete!
Question to the man who know. I forgot your name. I'm in Australia, can I order the game and will it work here? PAL version for Xbox 360?
Also I love all the options on which WRC car to use! (see VW video above!)
A couple of new videos from some of the SSS stages:
WRC 3 Gameplay Xbox 360 - Rally de México SSS - HD 720p - YouTube
WRC 3 Gameplay Xbox 360 - Rally de Suecia SSS - HD 720p - YouTube
WRC 3 Gameplay Xbox 360 - Rally Alemania SSS - HD 720p - YouTube
WRC 3 Gameplay Xbox 360 - Rally Argentina SSS - HD 720p - YouTube
One showing the photo
WRC 3 Gameplay Xbox 360 - Photo Mode / Modo Foto - HD 720p - YouTube
The best SSS is in Argentina.. Best effects! But why does not the cars going dirty as hell?? When all that mud sprays and the car is clean? That can't be like that in the final product??
But this is the SSS from WRC 2? I recognize them... :)
They have not do something to the SSS for wrc 3, right?