It's here on the WRC.com. Do you know if it's legal or not?Quote:
Originally Posted by MJW
World Rally Championship - Video - Browse All - Argentina 2012: Friday Morning Stages
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It's here on the WRC.com. Do you know if it's legal or not?Quote:
Originally Posted by MJW
World Rally Championship - Video - Browse All - Argentina 2012: Friday Morning Stages
It appears to be a problem especially at Rally Mexico, Argentina and GB. I always fear that it's a thing like that that will decide a championship. But it's a very tricky thing to get on top of. There are idiots everywhere and there seem to be an increasing amount of them these days....Quote:
Originally Posted by skarderud
Evidence for this?Quote:
Originally Posted by MikeD
I have never heard of rocks being thrown at rally GB!
I just remember stones being thrown at Loebs car a couple of years ago when he was fighting with Hirvonen for the championship (2009 I think).Quote:
Originally Posted by Fly_Half
I agree. I never understood why Citroën didn't sign PSolberg instead of Hirvonen. It's not that Hirvonen isn't delivering the good results, but PSolberg was equally consistent in his private Citroëns and he is a way better marketing tool.Quote:
Originally Posted by skarderud
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Originally Posted by MikeD
take a look at the championship points in the last few years and you will understand why they signed Hirvonen.
Plus I think a Loeb-Solberg duo would not work at all marketing wise, it just wasn't going to feel right.
I have to say my interest for this rally went down south at the same time as Petter broke his steering arm...
But Ogier v Mikkelsen will still keep me in front of the computer. :)
...and look at the points now. They are both the teams second choice. PSolberg is on 62 points. Hirvonen on 50 points.Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
And remind me again. Which of the two has a championship to his name? ;)
in 6 minutes we will get live.Lets see Sordos strategy.
It would feel very right. I still can't see what Citroën gets marketing wise from Hirvonen. I honestly doubt he has many fans outside his native country.Quote:
Originally Posted by Francis44
It's in 1 hour an 6 min.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
A tweet said there will be live streaming here watch motors tv channels live streaming online from uk Might have meant the Day 1 update
dont forget Mikkos win disqualified,and that plenty of Petters points are with superrally.Numbers are not telling the truth alwaysQuote:
Originally Posted by MikeD
are you sure? i checked a website about times differences and was -5 hours from Argentina to Greece.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikeD
Today's start list (2 minute intervals): Tänak, Novikov, Nobre, Salazar, Oliveira, Araújo, Solberg, Neuville, Prokop, Al-Attiyah, Østberg, Sordo, Hirvonen, Loeb.
As we know, eight WRC drivers start under Rally2 :rolleyes: . Without this "trick", we might have only six WRC cars today...
Then start (1 minute intervals) Mikkelsen, Ogier, Fuchs, Kosciuszko, Guerra, Ligato, Gorban, ...
Day 1 Highlights - Part 1: WRC 2012 Argentina - Day1 - part 1/2 - YouTube
Day 1 Highlights - Part 2: WRC 2012 Argentina - Day1 - part 2/2 - YouTube
@dim: You have to wait 1 more hour... I am sorry! :D
Yes, because you have to add 1 hour because Europe is in summer-timeQuote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
Citroen dosen't need a character like Solberg, they have Loeb and all they needed was a team supporter for him. Citroen needs someone who is always able to collect the points.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikeD
aha! thanks MikeQuote:
Originally Posted by MikeD
Thanks for sharing.Quote:
Originally Posted by tolis
Massive failure though: there is no commentary!?
Loeb is a mchine and that appeals to fans like me who focus'es only on winning rallies and titles. PSolberg is great with fans and therefor a very strong marketing tool. He always has many fans everywhere and is a very likeable person. Hirvonen is neither even though he is good enough in securing the nessecary points for the manu championship.Quote:
Originally Posted by Francis44
A championship 9 years ago doesn't really count when it comes to an important decision...the only thing that Solberg has over Hirvonen is marketing value...Quote:
Originally Posted by MikeD
but Citroen are a serious team and care for more important things than adults acting like 12 year old girls in their favourite pop artists show...
Solberg is good enough to be considered a challenger for podiums but that is that...
I use this Current local time in ArgentinaQuote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
It also gives some kind of weather forecast.. but not Bluuford quality :)
And the only reason why Citroën is in WRC is for the marketing value hoping it will increase the amount of sold cars. And having won a championship 9 years ago still counts for a hell of lot more than having only being close to winning it.Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
Depends on the eyes watching...Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
Same goes for HirvonenQuote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
Mikko crashes less than Petter. That's the point
Massive enjoyment though! Best reveiew I've seen this year!Quote:
Originally Posted by EightGear
Hirvonen is better for Citroen, quiet, behind Loeb, mostly consistent (bare 2010),
So I watched the video... and would like your 100 euro. You don't mind or? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by MikeD
Petter
"I was driving in the ruts when the sump guard under the car touched some exposed bedrock and the impact bent the left steering arm, Petter explained. – I continued at normal pace for another 10km until the arm snapped in mid-air at a sixth gear crest about 6km from the finish. The car went off the road when it landed and the front right hit a rock.
Solberg and Patterson replaced the broken arm with a spare unit carried in the car. However, when they restarted they discovered the right steering arm broke in the second impact and they had to stop."
I watched the video aswell. You are not getting my €100. It was a driver error.Quote:
Originally Posted by ridder
the difference is the marketing value of solberg only counts among rally fans... Citroen wants to sell cars to everyone and the 9 titles in whatever sport have a far larger marketing value than just a person for the uninitiated.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikeD
for the rest you are right but results show Hirvonen is better than Solberg at achieving that.
For us rally-diehards who already know what has happened it is ok, but not for Joe average tuning in on Motors TV and wanting to know what happened...Quote:
Originally Posted by SlowSon
again...Quote:
Originally Posted by rallye-vid
PSolberg points this year: 62
Hirvonen points this year: 50
..and if you look at the stock of PSA they for sure should have more focus on their marketing tools. It's not looking good.
Peugeot, Kurs, Nøgletal med mere
please i consider you a serious person... the championship has more than 5 rounds...Quote:
Originally Posted by MikeD
Sure has been a dog of a stock over the last 12 months!
Care to explain how it was 100% driver error? I fail to see it, but the again I don't drive rallycars on gravel at 100 kph+.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikeD
He goes exactly on the line and there is a stone in it at the second half of the corner which does not seem to be visible from before the corner. Only thing one can argue about is whether he could have seen it sometime after he turned in and corrected to avoid it.
After the hit the car goes straight into the opposite side.
Given this information I'd rate it as about 50% bad luck, and rest divided between driver (could have corrected?) and weak parts (have no idea how strong the impact was).
As to the possible correction... Latvala tried to correct in very similar situation in Portugal and ended off the road.
EDIT: VIking's post (with Solbergs explanation), doesn't seem to help. Does that video show the first off or the second one? Seems more like the first one. Anyway from that explanation weak parts seem even more likely... i.e. one arm brakes so they change it only to find out that the second one broke as well.
did the video shows when Petter hit the stone?
It's linked on page 28 here, the quality is rather low, but there's some dark area (at 7-8 secs in), might be stone or just a deep rut so that the road hits the sumpguard as he said. Anyway you can clearly see how the steering moves and car goes straight after that.
Yes it has lost 2/3 of its value. That's pretty serious and it's clearly the car company that's suffering the most during this crisis. Daimer/Mercedes, Porsche, Renault and FIAT are also doing really bad whereas the VW/VAG group is performing on average market level and whereas BMW is the winner with massive success in selling cars especially in Emerging Markets.Quote:
Originally Posted by 6789