Ah, but that's twenty pounds that the race engineers get to decide where they want it to go.Quote:
Originally Posted by call_me_andrew
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Ah, but that's twenty pounds that the race engineers get to decide where they want it to go.Quote:
Originally Posted by call_me_andrew
Gary
Thank you for a very eloquent response, DBell. I may not agree with all that you say, but at least you frame your arguments more than properly.Quote:
Originally Posted by DBell
I agree completely.Quote:
Originally Posted by chuck34
I believe it will be placed on the engine, so some limitations. Still probably better than the alternative.Quote:
Originally Posted by garyshell
So, lots of pics and a few videos floating around from testing today. But, what exactly are they shrouding here?
panther site
Cooling arrangements?
Who's the cute Panther engineer?
My god that car is ugly, and what a dreary livery.
Mechanic Anna Chatten.Quote:
Originally Posted by Civic
The only thing I saw that could be thought of as a "shroud" was a blanket they had over the engine. They do that to warm it up. Blanket with a salamander blowing hot air over the engine. But maybe you're talking about something else??Quote:
Originally Posted by Mad_Hatter
not to continue to beat a dead horse - but I STILL can't get into this new car - it just doesn't look right - the "hips" are just too much - it just does not look "fast" or "right" - I know that is my opinion only but I am trying really are to like this thing.....
On the bright side - great to see so many cars out testing so early. I actually like the solid red Target car - anything solid seems to help hide those hideous side pods......
Any times?
I read yesterday in the report about the wind tunnel test that the ramps on the sidepods had been revised to produce less drag. Lets hope they were revised A LOT.
Here's a vid....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jYcS9lVHl4
Hard at work......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ukWz...layer_embedded
Most people are reporting the best times at around 53.5. My contact up there backs that up.Quote:
Originally Posted by SarahFan
53.5 on the Sebring Short course is slow.......Really Slow.
Shock, horror, an unsubstatiated TEST time coming from someone who is fairly critical of the new car in particular and IndyCar in general. Let's cancel the season now. Pack it in, it's over. NASCAR on Memorial Day from now on. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by anthonyvop
It had better RACE fantastic
Oh come on. It's a test. New cars, new crews, new engines, some of which had barely even run at that point, let alone in anger, not to mention a totally green track with no rubber down whatsoever and you're wanting lap records? You can't read anything into the times whatsoever. Of course, had they gone all out for times and blown the motors to pieces you'd be on here telling us they were unreliable...Quote:
Originally Posted by anthonyvop
Other people are reporting the same times.Quote:
Originally Posted by chuck34
IndyCar Series - Drivers, teams breathe sigh of relief after Sebring test - ESPN
:)
Nope.... The GP of Monaco is the biggest race that day....By a Huge margin.Quote:
Originally Posted by chuck34
The New Dallara has been seen more than a few laps at Sebring and the Course is well rubbered in. Sebring, like most major Florida Tracks, gets heavy use. Especially in the winter.Quote:
Originally Posted by hornet
A 53+ second lap on the short course is slow. a sub 50 is the target. I would have been happy with a 51.5. Heck a 52 would have been respectable.
The sky is falling, the sky is falling, everybody run .... oh waitQuote:
Originally Posted by anthonyvop
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And the unanimous reaction from everyone present was of positive relief.
oh and way to completely miss this little gem there TonyQuote:
"But now that I've had a chance to see and hear the car going around the track, I'm pumped," he added. "I'm excited to go racing with these things."
And I love this quote from Rick Mears (someone who's opinion I respect immensely)Quote:
No official timing and scoring was in operation, but Scott Dixon's best lap of roughly 53.0 seconds in the Honda-powered Target Ganassi Racing car on the first day was already quicker than a good time around Sebring for the outgoing car
But you keep on with your sky is falling stuff. I prefer to live in the real world.Quote:
"So it's not planted and completely stable," Mears said. "Haven't we been complaining that the outgoing car was too planted and stable? That my ex-wife's mother-in-law could jump in one and keep up with the pack?
"The new car really brings the teams back into the equation in a big way," Mears continued. "Some of these teams have never gone through the hard work of developing a new car. You can call it teething troubles or new car blues or whatever. We used to experience it all the time when we brought out a new car every year. The biggest teams aren't always going to be the ones that get it right and there could be some surprising results.
"It's going to shake things up and make IndyCar a lot more interesting."
Rubber isn't rubber. The fact that something has been running there doesn't mean squat. In fact it might hurt. Sometimes when there are two series at an event on different tires, one compound makes the track really slick for another.Quote:
Originally Posted by anthonyvop
But I'm not saying that the track being rubbered in or not had anything to do with this test. I would have to be there to know the actual condition of the track. I will not speculate one way or the other from here.
So the fact that the new car, right out of the box, with basically no tuning time, is already faster than the old car isn't good enough for you? What would make you happy? Braking the sound barrier?Quote:
Originally Posted by anthonyvop
It's TESTING on a brand new car. Your expectations are ridiculous.
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Originally Posted by chuck34
not ridiculous really...
The DP-01 was doing 52.7's right out of the box during the first session of the first multi-team test at Sebring. By the end of the three day test it was doing 50.7's....
Just saying.... ;-)
Can I get an amen brothers and sisters?Quote:
Originally Posted by chuck34
Not sure if this was brought up about the new car but I wasnt going to sift thru 30 pages....lol
This new car design will make it harder for the rear tire changers now during pitstops. They will have to come straight in with the tire instead of swinging it on like they normally do.
Just like a tire changer on every sports car team. It's not like Indycar pitstops are anywhere near F1 or even DTM pit stop speeds. I'm all for making things more of a challenge. I'm sure they will be practicing. It's the same for everyone. It's another change that is the same for everyone.Quote:
Originally Posted by DanicaFan
So what's the alternative? Take a new car and quite possibly new drivers, team members, mechanics, crew chiefs and whatever else and just go out looking for a headline time? Other than keeping you happy, what would that actually achieve? It's a test, a data gathering exercise. Go out, turn laps, crunch the numbers, turn more laps, check systems are working as anticipated (on the car or otherwise), make adjustments to see how they impact things. It's about turning laps rather than setting times. If the thing is dog slow come the first race they you can come back and say "I told you so", but I don't see how you can read anything into a pre-season test where more or less everything is new to everyone?Quote:
Originally Posted by anthonyvop
Interesting how you pick out the time from that ESPN article, but ignore the driver comments regarding their objectives for the test.
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It's coming along, especially the engines," said 2008 IndyCar Series champion Dixon. "Almost everything I've done so far has been manufacturer testing, and I'm looking forward to getting out there in 'team' mode to see what effect putting our little touches on the car will have.
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Castroneves, who ran both days in the blue-and-white car Chevrolet used for manufacturer testing, was also eager to come to grips with the new machine -- even if it meant breaking some old habits.
"I'm learning the new systems," said the three-time Indianapolis 500 winner. "Now the clutch is on the steering wheel, so I'm using my left foot to brake after braking with my right foot for my entire career.
"It's interesting to adapt, but that's why we're testing. It's kind of fun, like a go-kart. Everything that is new always goes through a change. You have to work to find the best balance. That's what makes teams have a good connection -- the engineers, the drivers -- because you're developing something together."
Nobody was out there to run blazing numbers, they were out there to turn laps, bed things in and get a baseline on the car.Quote:
Another positive that came from the Sebring test was the debut of the Lotus engine. De Silvestro relentlessly pounded around Sebring, cranking out hundreds of consistent (if not particularly fast) laps as Lotus attempted to put 1,000 miles on an engine right off the bat.
Some quotes from Graham Rahal :-
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The car is fun as hell to drive,” Ganassi’s Graham Rahal told SPEED.com. “It’s pretty wicked—it clearly has a lot of potential on road courses and has plenty of grip. For sure, the car will be quicker at Sebring. It’s a tough, bumpy place. The car has a lot of room to improve, and the track conditions weren’t ideal. Everyone is in the first stages of figuring the car out, so it’s not like we all know the cars and what makes them tick. That’s gonna take some time
Doesn't exactly smack of the sky is falling doom and gloom some are trying to paint.Quote:
We’re close to the quickest I’ve ever gone in the old car already, and we haven’t done much running, so that says a lot about how much is left to come, I think
I know that speed will go up and with open competicion cars will look better but most of all I'm looking for is what team -driver combo will best develop the car. I think it will be interesting season.
Another.......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6adMt7OQarQ
Does anyone know for sure if the new car has power steering?
At least the 2012 F1 cars will be uglier!
No need now that Danica is gone.Quote:
Originally Posted by tillyvick14
The more pictures I look at, the more I like this car. I'm sure the percieved "uglyness" of the car by some fans will be a non-issue once wee see 26 of these things in motion, with proper paintjobs, come St. Pete! Plus, everyone, inlcuding Dallara, will have the option to come up with an aerokit that is both faster and better-looking in 2013.
http://www.latphoto.co.uk/thumbnails...jpg?1327940141
I'm with the good Dr. on this. The paintjobs/liveries are all the difference. I liked the Target car I posted awhile back too...
Look at that front wing!!! Anyone care to tell us what he said??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FE5AtE5Grlw
Not bad at all!!!
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Sweeeeet, sound. Ugly looks on the back side.
Only thing I picked out was that he likes pie and mash at 1:22.Quote:
Originally Posted by jimispeed
Abbording to Miller's latest it will be yellow season with new engines.