I just remember the last car Prodrive made, it did not exactly have a perfect handling either....... Lets hope they have learned !
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I just remember the last car Prodrive made, it did not exactly have a perfect handling either....... Lets hope they have learned !
of course Mirek! Ohlins job is not to design minis travel suspension but the shocks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
who says there is something wrong? everything is a compromise. longer suspension travel is just not one way traffic, it ultimately compromises geometry. you could create a 'monster truck' or paris-dakar type vechile... ie. a toureg, but its not going to have the precision. Could the recent numerous puncutre be becuase that cars have more much body roll, knocking tyres off rims? time will tell.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
Hi,
I should say that Armindo has done a fantastic first day in Portugal. We wasn’t pushing and was doing very fine lines. When you are at the stages you see the DS3’s and Fiesta’s….than suddenly appears Armindo Araújo with the Mini and everyone looks to the guys beside then and… “Is this a rally car?”
LOL, it really looks strange. The engine looks to be very good, but in the fast part’s the Mini really struggle a lot and it looks that the car isn’t so easily driven like it appears.
Let’s wait for the next event.
Of course, the small S2000 wing didn't gave him good stability in the fast sections. I think that the 4th evolution of the engine and the new big wing will improve the pace and the stability in the fast corners and long straights.Quote:
Originally Posted by rbatista82
didn`t Lapworth say that they have a completely new approach in the dampers that no one has used before, i guess this has something to do with Öhlins. I think that from my personal believes Öhlins are a bit high nosed and think that they can just come back to the rallying scene and immediately be the best as they probably where in the late 90s. But being mor or less away for over 10years has to be noticed somewhere.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
Also when looking at club level Öhlins isn`t even comparable anymore to the likes of Reiger, Exe-Tc, Tein and others.
But we`ll see
I seem to remember Prodrive wetting themselves about the dampers they used on the Impreza, and aren't they the ones Citroen now use?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sulland
Yes that's right. It's hard to get traction with one wheel in the air.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheFlyingTuga
Even a rally Turkey with the massive rocks would be tough for this car. The Citroens have massive wheel travel but still remain relatively flat in corners. More development should fix this. They should flare the guards and have one muffler too.
So only a few items on my wish list lol :)
Citroen uses their own dampers but are buying parts from Bos and Exe-tc, but all development and assembling is made in house as far as i know!Quote:
Originally Posted by RS
What can they do then not changing the geometry of the suspension. If they change the geometry isn’t there a lot of testing again to find the right setups?Quote:
Originally Posted by TheFlyingTuga
In this short video you can see part of the suspension. Is there anything wrong?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayoyj...layer_embedded
Prodrive could be in hurry also to get the engine ready.
64. MECHANICAL COMPONENTS – MANUFACTURERS AND WRC TEAMS
64.1 LIMITATION OF THE NUMBER OF ENGINES
64.1.1 After the 01/05/2011 each Manufacturer or a WRC Team must use no more than 2 engines per
car for the rest of the season (ie: 2 engines per car for 9 Rallies).
64.4 RESTRICTION OF ENGINE PARTS DEVELOPMENT
As development of the engine is controlled, a box of the parts listed below will be sealed by the FIA
together with the registered Manufacturer or WRC Team and placed in a location acceptable to both
parties. This will be carried out at the latest before the 1/05/2011.
- Valves.
- Pistons.
- Valve springs.
- Camshafts (with profile).
- Cylinder head ready to race.
- Homologated cylinder block
- High pressure fuel pump
- Exhaust and intake manifolds
- All other engine parts already homologated.
- Compression ratio details with tolerance.
The parts registered do not necessarily have to be new, but they must be representative, in every respect,
of the parts to be used in the rallies throughout the season.
Somehow Prodrive (D.Richards) ruined subaru 'cos they had good budget and made lot's of mistakes. Let we hope they (he) won't ruin mini WRC project..
A view which forgets entirely how he also turned Subaru into a success.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barreis
And the role Pirelli played.....
My point is that to think of Prodrive as a failure simply because their latter-day Subarus were useless is to ignore what they managed to do before that. It remains open to question as to whether the company is still able to hit those heights again — the example of Andy Rouse Engineering in touring car racing does show that once great preparation outfits can just go off the boil.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
While D.Richards was occupied only with subaru everything went well but when he took BAR role subaru WRC project started to go downstairs..
Moral of the story? Stick with WRC:-)Quote:
Originally Posted by Barreis
No they switched from EX-TC in 2003 to sachs in 2004 ..............the sachs were ****Quote:
Originally Posted by RS
Those dampers are all EXE-TCQuote:
Originally Posted by FVS
I think Prodrive will be fine...as long as they manage to find a strong partner.
I think that the Ralliart/Mitsubishi WRC and Dakar combination of programs can demonstrate how independent operators can be successful in this format.
On Subaru, I think the recent cars had flawed designs and that the Japanese HQ may have tried to micromanage the team, which may have caused Petter and Chris to be off the pace
First fastest time for the Mini!!!
http://rally.ficr.it/tab_stagetimes....rovaSpeciale=1
And the opponents are not less!
Concentration must be full on project if somebody want success..
Navarra wins! This has got to be encouraging :up:
+1
Its been an encouraging start so far hasnt it? :)
Good for sport..
Congrat to Prodrive on the first victory for a S1600T car !
hmmm....a WRC winning over s2000 i guess should be normal the small difference is a concern though.
Dont forget this as a 30mm restrictor as I heard.
even with 30mm restrictor has more thn double torque from atmo s2000 cars.So not so impressive at all imhoQuote:
Originally Posted by Francis44
Oh I thought it was a S2000 :s
So, whatever engine it seems to be, the Mini is performing well on tarmac. For sure the turbo plays a role...
It was a gravel event!Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
lololol
+1
Is the time difference really significant? Isn't it assumed that you only go as fast as you need to win. Besides with the trouble the Mini had in Portugal I would assume they would only push hard enough to make sure they finished.
I wonder how far the current WRC cars, except for the motor of course, differ from S2000 cars? If you compare to the result in Ciocco Navarra did very well with the car. At least there are signs of potential.Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
Top Gear with James May, Kris Meeke and Mini Wrc were in Norway this weekend filming in the bob sledge track in Hunderfossen like they did with Henning Solberg many years ago. This time they raced against Amy Williams in a skeleton. I was there all friday night having a look and the car sounds awesome!! It had a S2000 bodykit but the prodrive mechanic told me it had WRC spec engine. Unfortunetly i didn't get back out with my camera tape... but i had these two pics uploaded to FB before i was caught :uhoh: Will probably be broadcasted when the new season of Top Gear starts in june. Henning's run here, i felt something was strange with this video and i was right, apparently things are not the right way around in Norway look at the sign at 4:12min :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zKgaXwO8Ao
http://www.raceinfo.no/temp/tn_19951..._1191068_n.jpg
http://www.raceinfo.no/temp/tn_19737..._3918562_n.jpg
I don't think that it's so much. The car looked really slow on asphalt testing videos with small restrictor. We'll see how it works next time. In Italy it's quite common that new comers have problems to catch locals on their home roads (like Kopecký and others in previous years). Moreover Mikkelsen lost 20 seconds by a spin on SS2.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
SubaruNorway , great job there , that's the kind of inside information were into . Did you meet Captain Slow ? He's my favourite of the three ;)
Jeremy is cooler..