I'm still convinced alonso must have known what was going on.Seems to be no mention of him though.
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I'm still convinced alonso must have known what was going on.Seems to be no mention of him though.
DexDexter. Remember Spygate? Cheat as a team and get punished as a team.
With the two of them gone who is going to testify except Nelson?
They now have no reason to appear and the FIA have no legal authority to make them. I would expect both are finished in motorsport and I would expect very wealthy although Flav sure appears to spend a lot.
Maybe Flav will run for Pres. of the FIA now!!!!!!!!!! :D :eek:
If Rakka is not bought out of the ferrari contract,and Massa gets to full fitness next year...HORRORS ! ,We might well see Nando driving a Toyota,Williams :P
Wow....I guess it is hard to defend Renault now once they let Briatore & Symonds go. I really thought this was a disgruntled employee but it looks like he is telling the truth, especially if the Renault team says they are not going to dispute the charges (although that does not mean they are admitting guilt).
I guess this is the end of the RenaultF1 team, and with it the worries and questions about a 28-car grid?
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Originally Posted by N. Jones
The Renault team not disputing the charges is as good as admitting guilt.
Well, there's your spot for Sauber to get back into the line up. Would Renault continue as an engine supplier?
I bet that kicking Flab and Pat out of the team was very very cheap compared to paying, let's say, a €100 million fine in these financially difficult times.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark
I guess will know about this soon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark
Why would they dispute the charges if there is no doubt
In order to put all IFs to rest the easiest thing to do would be to declare the Singapore GP results void because the result was fixed and thus not legitimate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Robinho
They have an image to protect, and they wouldn't want to be seen as cheaters, so throwing the 2 of them out sends out the right message: 'Renault does not tolerate crooks because we are an honest organization.'Quote:
Originally Posted by Robinho
Probably, there as an article a few days ago saying that they are likely to take Flav's position at Renault F1.Quote:
Originally Posted by Knock-on
In my opinion Renault with escape big punishment after this. But about Singapore GP, I doubt that the results will be touched - what happened, happened and I doubt that it is possible to change results in a race from finished championship. It will be a bad PR in a situation, which is already bad enough. With Flav and Symonds gone, the story should be over...
I suppose that even if he doesn't drop them the French authorities will do that anyway and he might also get some slack for misleading them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Brockman
No, Piquet Jr and Symonds were already granted immunity if they say the truth.Quote:
Originally Posted by John Glimmerveen
Yes but the results have to stand. If the results were declared null and void at the time then people would have raced differently in the subsequent races. The results stand and Lewis is champion no matter how much I wish it could be different. Lewis shouldn't pay for something that wasn't his doing or even his teams doing.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
Wow, genuinely didn't see that coming. On the plus side, this must mean that Renault want to stay in F1. I'm sure there's going to be an enormous punishment now but no bans.
Can't do it once a result has been declared.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
It would have had to be questioned and investigated at the time. If they annulled the result, who knows what would have happened with other races if drivers positions were altered.
Please explain how is that not admitting guilt.Quote:
Originally Posted by N. Jones
Because the burden of proof is on the prosecution. The defendant doesn't have to open his/her mouth.
Even if they are fixed?Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
That's a strange way of thinking.
If you were found guilty but you know you aren't guilty than you would certainly will have a go at disputing the verdict and try to restore your image and even freedom in some cases.Quote:
Originally Posted by N. Jones
Not doing so means you agree with the accusation and you are guilty beyond doubt.
What other races and what driver positions were altered?Quote:
Originally Posted by Knock-on
Maybe you should let the FIA know if you have some knowledge about such! :p
What if all those people who lost money because the results were fixed are going to sue the FIA and have judge grant a change of the results?!
It's interesting to read the Renault team comments after the GP in question:
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/70993Quote:
Fernando Alonso - 1st: "This is a fantastic result - my first podium of the season; my first victory and I'm very happy, although I think it will take several days for me to realise what we have achieved. Wining a Grand Prix here just seemed to be impossible because we missed our chance yesterday in qualifying, but we were very fortunate today and it's a superb result for the team. We chose a very aggressive strategy and we had a bit of luck, but we had the pace and the car was fantastic throughout the weekend."
Nelson Piquet - DNF: "From the start of the race things were complicated and I had a lot of graining and the situation got worse and worse. The team asked me to push, which I tried to do and finally I lost the rear of my car. I hit the wall heavily but I'm ok. I am disappointed with my race but obviously very happy for the team this evening."
Flavio Briatore, Managing Director ING Renault F1 Team: "This is an amazing victory for Renault and for Fernando. Since Friday we knew that the car was very competitive and we were very disappointed at the end of qualifying. Today the car was extremely quick, stronger than the Ferrari and McLaren, and although we had some luck when the safety car came out, we deserved this victory. It's a very important result for Renault after two difficult seasons and helps us prepare for 2009 in the best way possible."
Pat Symonds, Executive Director of Engineering: "I think the luck we had in the early part of the race was nearly a cancellation of the bad luck we had yesterday. The car has proven itself and so has Fernando. The whole result is a tribute to the team and this wonderful circuit is a tribute to Singapore!"
Particularly Briatore's comment that "It's a very important result for Renault after two difficult seasons." I wonder how much pressure was on the team from the Renault board to produce results, and whether that influenced things at all.
All seen with the benefit of hindsight of course...
Good for Flavio and Pat ---- Bravo Bravo
Hopefully all the people at Renault will keep their jobs. Flavio and Pat have enough money and they can pursue the Piquets outside of F1. I assume flavio and Pat will get a lifetime ban which is not a big deal now.
Perhaps Alonso should be taken out of the results but no one else should gain any points from it.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
Alonso just needs to hope he doesn't get implicated!! Screw the point - give them back
now are people gonna investigate Lewis's last gasp pass over Vettel :p :
Sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
What about Kubica being handed a penalty because of the SC?
What about all the drivers who had to queue behind their team mates during the pit stop frenzy provoked by a deliberate race fixing move?
Pretty much everyone's race was affected by a premeditated criminal offense that and huge amounts of money were lost by people who did bet on that race as I'm pretty sure not many of them bet on Alonso who was starting 15th and on fumes.
You mean over Glock. I know Lewsi would have loved to be able to pass Vettel but he just wasn't good enough to do it.Quote:
Originally Posted by harsha
Well I'm of the opinion that Flabio should be charged with race fixing. But I think it would be unfair to change the results so significantly now.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
I've just been reading Tony Dodgin's column on Autosport and he tells of Alonso's Thursday press session where (obviously) he was asked about events surrounding the team.Quote:
Originally Posted by fousto
Understandably Alonso did not want to get drawn into discussing it, but the press pushed until the Renault PR person present intervened and said "he cannot say...because he has received notice not to speak and this doesn't come from the team, it comes from above".
Whoever "above" is, it's another detail from 'behind the scenes' that makes you wonder what goes on in F1 sometimes :crazy:
Hem, hem...
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/78483
"Mosley confirmed that the most severe penalty of total exclusion from the world championship was a possibility if Renault was found guilty, and he clarified that it was now too late for the result of last year's Singapore Grand Prix or world championship to be changed."
So no WDC for Massa or any changes in the WDC a year after the end of the championship.
I see no benefit in speculating whether Alonso knew. There is no suggestion he did and although he might have questioned how he ended up winning, he cannot be implicated on the basis that "he must have known" or "it was obvious".
There was only 1 driver here responsible for the crash and he wants to get the fcuk out of this country and go back to the US IMHO.
I suppose you are right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
He should have to pay back all the financial loses for those who lost because of his actions.
I tell you a secret, his name is Carlos Ghosn. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1
I think that it is kind of bs for a driver, after he gets released, to then say this and that happened last year. He said the crash was an accident at the time. He shouldnt get to change his story now.
There have been a number of great drivers who have intentionally crashed in an effort to effect the outcome of a race (Schumacher, Senna). And they crashed into other cars. That seems worse to me than a guy driving into a guardrail on purpose.
Not really, the burden of proof is still on the prosecution.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
However, we do have Jr to provide that, don't we.
Is it though. I think it is Renault officially saying 'fair cop guys, it looks like the F1 management have been naughty, of which we had no knowledge. The evidence is clear, and we do not intend to dispute.Quote:
Originally Posted by harsha
No, he should be forced to drop the soap in a showeroom full of STD infected inmates.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan