Austria 2016

Some of you guys on here just don't get it !
Rosberg supposedly was struggling with brakes as for the previous 6or 7 laps Hamilton had been pushing him hard trying to make him make a mistake ! Hamilton was past Rosberg by at least half a car into the right turn .Rosberg made NO attempt to turn into the corner,and went wide forcing Hamilton completely off the confines on the track.Hamilton then tries to rejoin the track and Rosberg tries to stop him doing that too What did Button say ? He said ,not only did Rosbeg drive him off the track ,but he tried to prevent him rejoining it again !!! Think some of you guys should be paying a visit to Specsavers !

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Originally Posted by driveace

Some of you guys on here just don't get it !
Rosberg supposedly was struggling with brakes as for the previous 6or 7 laps Hamilton had been pushing him hard trying to make him make a mistake ! Hamilton was past Rosberg by at least half a car into the right turn .Rosberg made NO attempt to turn into the corner,and went wide forcing Hamilton completely off the confines on the track.Hamilton then tries to rejoin the track and Rosberg tries to stop him doing that too What did Button say ? He said ,not only did Rosbeg drive him off the track ,but he tried to prevent him rejoining it again !!! Think some of you guys should be paying a visit to Specsavers !

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Calm down .
It'll all be ok .

Nico was wrong to force him off track . The stewards said so .

I'm afraid that on that other point you made , about Lewis coming back on , might not be quite right , or , in fact , any obligation for Nico .
The driver who runs off the track is responsible to regain the track surface safely , not the driver on track .

I'm not sure if it's true , but I've read that Lewis actually hit Nico's car as he re-entered the track .
This was pretty unclear in the replays that I've seen , but , if true , normally a penalized offence .

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Originally Posted by Bagwan

Calm down .
It'll all be ok .

Nico was wrong to force him off track . The stewards said so .

I'm afraid that on that other point you made , about Lewis coming back on , might not be quite right , or , in fact , any obligation for Nico .
The driver who runs off the track is responsible to regain the track surface safely , not the driver on track .

I'm not sure if it's true , but I've read that Lewis actually hit Nico's car as he re-entered the track .
This was pretty unclear in the replays that I've seen , but , if true , normally a penalized offence .

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Nico had a clear view of Lewis re-entering the track and must have realised that by squeezing him he was forcing a contact. Lewis admitted he couldn't see Nico as he was completely in his blind spot. This is the point where racing drivers expect the other to leave room, much like the first contact between them. Jenson Button commented that Nico should have given room for Lewis to re-join the track and perhaps that is an agreement between drivers?

Whatever way you paint this Bagwan it's not looking great for Nico. He acted like a moron in both instances. He's lucky he wasn't penalised for the second contact.

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Originally Posted by henners88

Nico had a clear view of Lewis re-entering the track and must have realised that by squeezing him he was forcing a contact. Lewis admitted he couldn't see Nico as he was completely in his blind spot. This is the point where racing drivers expect the other to leave room, much like the first contact between them. Jenson Button commented that Nico should have given room for Lewis to re-join the track and perhaps that is an agreement between drivers?

Whatever way you paint this Bagwan it's not looking great for Nico. He acted like a moron in both instances. He's lucky he wasn't penalised for the second contact.

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I'm not aware that Lewis said that Nico was in his blind spot in reference to the "second contact" , as you're calling it now .
So , there was a second contact when Hamilton came back on ?
As far as I know , the onus is on the re-entering driver to make sure it is safe to do so , not at all on the driver on track .

It was suggested that back a couple of races when Nico was forced off in the first corner , that he did so dangerously coming back into the fray in 9th position .
If that was true , then doesn't hitting a guy when returning to the track surface qualify as just a little dangerous as well ?

If he did hit him on re-entry , how the hell does that come off any less friggin' brainless than his partner's dumbass gambit at the corner ?
Both moves could have caused disastrous results , and both moves are not allowed , though only one was sanctioned .

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Originally Posted by Bagwan

I'm afraid that on that other point you made , about Lewis coming back on , might not be quite right , or , in fact , any obligation for Nico .
The driver who runs off the track is responsible to regain the track surface safely , not the driver on track .

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I kind of agree Bagwan.

However Button seemed to think differently so I kind of take what he says over anyone on here I reckon :p

I think the rules are very clear that it's the responsibility of the re-entering driver to re-enter safely.

That said, deliberately making it difficult for them to re-enter (especially when it was you that punted them off the track in the first place) is at best unsporting.

I could be wrong about this, but I watched a few times and couldn't see a second contact. It was definitely close, but it looked like Hamilton took evasive action when he realized Nico was hugging the white line to prevent him re-entering the track and then rejoined behind him without any contact.

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Originally Posted by Bagwan

I'm not aware that Lewis said that Nico was in his blind spot in reference to the "second contact" , as you're calling it now .
So , there was a second contact when Hamilton came back on ?
As far as I know , the onus is on the re-entering driver to make sure it is safe to do so , not at all on the driver on track .

It was suggested that back a couple of races when Nico was forced off in the first corner , that he did so dangerously coming back into the fray in 9th position .
If that was true , then doesn't hitting a guy when returning to the track surface qualify as just a little dangerous as well ?

If he did hit him on re-entry , how the hell does that come off any less friggin' brainless than his partner's dumbass gambit at the corner ?
Both moves could have caused disastrous results , and both moves are not allowed , though only one was sanctioned .

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The rules state it is the driver returning to the racetrack that should do so with care, but drivers already on track should not go out of their way to cause contact like Nico did. They should not make it unnecessarily difficult.

It was a double brainless move by Nico and notice only he was punished for the incident. In Canada also notice nobody swerved towards Nico to cause a crash. It's pretty clear cut, in fact there are not even any finer details from Austria. Nico drove like a tool at the end and ensured Hamilton had a superb victory. I suppose that is a punishment in itself lol.

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Originally Posted by Duncan

I think the rules are very clear that it's the responsibility of the re-entering driver to re-enter safely.

That said, deliberately making it difficult for them to re-enter (especially when it was you that punted them off the track in the first place) is at best unsporting.

I could be wrong about this, but I watched a few times and couldn't see a second contact. It was definitely close, but it looked like Hamilton took evasive action when he realized Nico was hugging the white line to prevent him re-entering the track and then rejoined behind him without any contact.

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Yeah I don't think they actually touched otherwise Hamilton would have lost his front wing end plate.

I think the sparks were from the wing clipping the high curb as Lewis stayed off track slightly longer. Very unsporting on Nico as you say.

This whole incident would have looked a lot different if Nico had turned into the first part of the corner when expected. At least then it would have looked like he genuinely did not make the corner. It just looked poor on his part and it's becoming a bit of a pattern with the lad.

Can we clear up one thing here ?

If you are on the inside , do you get to dictate your line , as Nico said ?

My understanding, whether it fits or not, has pretty much always been.. If you are alongside someone but ahead going into the corner it's your line.. as long as you leave space/racing room.
Yep, Lewis is no angel either and has had his incidents but this was on another level, there is no excuse.