George Zimmerman verdict just in . . .

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Originally Posted by D-Type

I am not a US resident and I do not understand the nuances of US Law. Can somebodey please clarify whether being a member of a neighbourhood watch group is considered legally to being a member of a "A well regulated Militia" in the sense that the writers of the Second Amendment intended?

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It has been established by the courts that you don't have to be a member of "well regulated Militia" to own a fire arm, carry it, etc. So, whether or not a member of a neighborhood watch group is considered a well regulated militia is irrelevant to this discussion.

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Originally Posted by Spafranco

So you are of the same opinion concerning Zimmerman. One very clear issue is the fact that he disobeyed a police dispatcher.

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Most people agree that Zimmerman should have stayed in his vehicle. However, disobeying a police dispatcher is not a crime. He broke no law there. He did make a bad judgement call.

It is entertaining to follow the media charade and gossip regarding pressing the federal civil rights charges against Zimmerman. My take is that it won't happen as there is no sufficient evidence to prove that a hate crime was committed (in fact some would argue there is no evidence at all). So far Zimmerman was acquitted of any wrong doing. The Federal prosecutors would have to prove that Zimmerman committed a crime AND it was because of race, which sets a much higher standard and burden on the prosecution compared to the state of Florida case.

I heard Holder's speech yesterday. He is a smart guy. I heard nothing NOTHING in his speech suggesting that the Justice Department is going to do anything substantial in response to Saturday's "not guilty" verdict. Of course, this didn't stop the media from reporting headlines like "Holder vows to press federal probe in Zimmerman case", in a desperate attempt continue milking the case for more drama and scandal. However, all Holder mentioned was that the Justice Department is already investigating this case. This investigation was going on probably for over a year. By now it's fair to assume that it led nowhere, but will be kept conveniently open to produce some kind of visibility of work being done to appease the race-mongers and protesters. Once the media moves on and the protesters get tired, the "investigation" will be quietly closed without anyone noticing it.

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Originally Posted by Spafranco

What has that got to do with the price of bread?

How heavy is Zimmerman?

I am 6feet 1 inch. I have a nephew about the same age as Martin. 6'4'. Could I wrestle him to the ground without having to kill him? Certainly I

could. My mass as is the case with Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin would be sufficient to repel any attempts at him trying to overcome me.

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Exactly...age and size is irrelevant

I am 6'1 and large but if somebody of any size jumps on me and starts bashing my head into the ground they better pray I am not carrying.

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Originally Posted by Spafranco

When was the last time someone or a case of someone being sent to trial for uttering something you perceive as OK here in the US but to be criminal in the UK?

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Google + 45 seconds of my time = Glaring examples of no freedom of speech in the UK

Outrageous: Three British men arrested for

Free Speech Is Dead In UK As Arrests Made For Social Media Posts After Beheading | Blue Collar Philosophy

'Free speech' row after man is ARRESTED for posting image of a burning Poppy on his Facebook page on Remembrance Sunday | Mail Online

Woolwich attack provokes anti-Muslim backlash across UK - Telegraph

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Originally Posted by Spafranco

I have this sneaking suspicion that you are jealous of the British because of their freedom to walk the streets at night. Not having to worry

about drive by shootings. Not having to worry about my 17 year old being shot for wearing a huddy in my nice gated community by some fool

becoming judge and jury. I like the fact that in the UK your son may get home after a talking to by either a/ the police or b/ whomever is in

charge of security.

I would however guarantee you one thing. He would be alive and not shot to death for looking suspicious.

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Crime under Hitler and Stalin was low also.

So for the star witness of the prosecution Zimmerman was a Cracker and a possible Gay, pedophile, rapist......

DRUDGE: JEANTEL WARNED ZIMMERMAN COULD BE GAY RAPIST

And some still claim the Zimmerman was the bigot.

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Originally Posted by Spafranco

"OK. We don't need you to do that," the dispatcher responded.

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I'm glad we can agree, then. He was never told to stay in his car. He was never told to stop following him, either. in fact, there is more evidence in the conversation that the dispatcher was the one who made zimmerman get out of his car in the first place when he repeatedly told zimmerman to watch Martin to see if he did anything else. How can he do that when he has lost sight of him already?

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Originally Posted by vhatever

I'm glad we can agree, then. He was never told to stay in his car. He was never told to stop following him, either. in fact, there is more evidence in the conversation that the dispatcher was the one who made zimmerman get out of his car in the first place when he repeatedly told zimmerman to watch Martin to see if he did anything else. How can he do that when he has lost sight of him already?

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You know. No matter what you are told or what you are led to believe you will pontificate and spew the diatribe that is endemic of the right wing faction that Zimmerman, ignoring the advice of a POLICE DISPATCHER followed Trayvon Martin. An armed 27year old following a unarmed kid. He looked suspicious? To Trayvon Martin it was Zimmerman that looked suspicious. After all, Trayvon was at his fathers home (staying). Along comes a guy armed with a gun because he thinks Tayvon is up to no good. He is killed and his killer is a free man. Tragic and again a miscarriage of justice. This country is going to hell with the manner in which life is treated.
If Trayvon was a blue eyed blond 17 year old kid Zimmerman would be in prison right now.

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Originally Posted by Spafranco

If Trayvon was a blue eyed blond 17 year old kid Zimmerman would be in prison right now.

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You mean like this guy?
Father Who Killed Is Freed - WSJ.com

Who murdered a 17 year old unarmed white male who was on public property and no threat to the killer? What did the NAACP have to say about that? Were they clamoring for the justice department to see if the murdered mans rights were vilated? Nope. they wanted the guy of scot free. cause murdering a white boy is A-ok in their books.

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Originally Posted by Spafranco

You know. No matter what you are told or what you are led to believe you will pontificate and spew the diatribe that is endemic of the right wing faction that Zimmerman

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I'm sure that's what you always say when you get thoroughly owned in a debate.

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Originally Posted by Spafranco

If Trayvon was a blue eyed blond 17 year old kid Zimmerman would be in prison right now.

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You mean like this guy?
Father Who Killed Is Freed - WSJ.com

Who murdered a 17 year old unarmed white boy who was on public property and no threat to the killer? What did the NAACP have to say about that? Were they clamoring for the justice department to see if the murdered mans rights were violated? Nope. they wanted the killer off scot free. cause murdering a white boy is A-ok in their books.