Homophobia

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

Again, that's not the fault of camp people, nor gay people generally.

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No, of course not. But the problem is there.

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Originally Posted by pettersolberg29

No perhaps not, but this is saying how it changes the image of gay people in general as these type of people are generalised to represent the homosexual community. The issue in this discussion is your unwillingness to accept there is a problem here - you've been lucky to avoid issues but your case is rare I'd suggest. I know a gay man who has had to have counselling due to bullying, I know another who has been beaten up for being 'too camp'. The problem exists, it's how we stop others having this problem.

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I'm not denying any of that at all. But you seem to be suggesting, if not explicitly, that if there were fewer camp gay people there wouldn't be such problems with the acceptance of homosexuality. I'm saying — and, from what you said above, you accept this too — that the problem lies with those who generalise and don't accept.

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Originally Posted by EuroTroll

No, of course not. But the problem is there.

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So, what can be done about it?

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

I'm not denying any of that at all. But you seem to be suggesting, if not explicitly, that if there were fewer camp gay people there wouldn't be such problems with the acceptance of homosexuality. I'm saying — and, from what you said above, you accept this too — that the problem lies with those who generalise and don't accept.

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

So, what can be done about it?

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Agreed, but it's a cause/effect problem here. If there were more gay people on TV who reflected real life then tolerance and acceptance may be higher? The problem does lie with those not accepting gays/lesbians, however if perhaps they were portrayed differently then acceptance would be easier to come by? Likewise acceptance for people like Piers Morgan is low because of the way they come across! If all white middle-aged men were represented by him then there would probably be a lack of tolerance to that group too. It's hard to explain in a text box but can you see where I'm coming from?

And your second question is unanswerable I'd say. Tolerance comes with time, and progress over the last century has been rapid. Give it another 30 years and the 'problem' may be a thing of the past. There is no quick fix.

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

That we appear to be the only species who have sex recreationally, because it is pleasurable.

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? cornfused ?

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

So, what can be done about it?

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Well, there are two aspects to the problem:
1 - People think gay people are camp.
2 - Camp annoys people.

Consequently, I think we have to, either:
1 - Explain and demonstrate that not all gay people are camp, or
2 - Try to understand why camp annoys us. ;)

...or preferably both.

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Originally Posted by pettersolberg29

Agreed, but it's a cause/effect problem here. If there were more gay people on TV who reflected real life then tolerance and acceptance may be higher? The problem does lie with those not accepting gays/lesbians, however if perhaps they were portrayed differently then acceptance would be easier to come by? Likewise acceptance for people like Piers Morgan is low because of the way they come across! If all white middle-aged men were represented by him then there would probably be a lack of tolerance to that group too. It's hard to explain in a text box but can you see where I'm coming from?

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Absolutely.

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Originally Posted by EuroTroll

2 - Camp annoys people.

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Not everyone. Far from it, in fact.

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

So, what can be done about it?

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A lot of people don't like certain religious denominations because of the way they try to 'win them over' with their door to door preaching. There would be a lot more tolerance if religion learned to accept people do not wish to forced or coerced into a religious belief.

In the same way that some gay men, as has been alluded to earlier in this thread, when on 'gay rights' domonstrations for example feel the need to force this 'gayness' upon everyone. Now, if you don't like the OTT campness of Julien Clarey for example, you turn him off - right?

If you get urinated on, or even worse some oik decides to sew his seed all over you - what choice do you have?

It merely breeds contempt and resentment. Maybe that is the object?

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Originally Posted by donKey jote

? cornfused ?

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Is this a quorn related play on words....?