another school shooting in U.S. of A. :(

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Originally Posted by Rollo

Bollocks.
Had this person not had access to or been in a society which doesn't have guns as widespread, .....

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Your assertion is stupid. That's like saying that if there were no gravity all those kids could have floated to safety. The society here IS armed and no amount of hand wringing or wishful thinking will change that. Gravity exists and so do the millions of guns here. Deal with the reality of both of them.

Then you all deserve to keep having these tragedies happen on your doorsteps, to your communities, as the simple statement seems to be "we don't want to do anything about guns". If and when this happens to you, your family or friends you have brought it on yourselves by hanging on to some grim paranoia that without guns the USA will fold, your government will turn on you and genocide will ensue. Enjoy your guns and put up with the fact that each time this happens again we'll continue to say "i told you so"

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Originally Posted by Starter

Gravity exists and so do the millions of guns here. Deal with the reality of both of them.

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Yes it is a realit.

Which doesn't make it okay.

FACT: If there is less of anything, the chances of getting anything of it are less possible due to the fact that they are not that easily available.

If a kid lives in a house where there are various hand guns, rifles, or any other bullet shooting weapons that were purchased legally and are part of their household - and if that kid goes nuts for whatever reason (mental illness or drug caused or just plain pissed off with life), the probabilities of this kid getting those weapons from his home and going out to cause crazy, crazy, pain are magnified exponentially.

The guns were there for the taking and in this case a terrible drama unfolded.

Yes we deal with the reality, but it doesn't mean we have to accept it as something that can't be dealt with.

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Originally Posted by Robinho

Then you all deserve to keep having these tragedies happen on your doorsteps, to your communities, as the simple statement seems to be "we don't want to do anything about guns". If and when this happens to you, your family or friends you have brought it on yourselves by hanging on to some grim paranoia that without guns the USA will fold, your government will turn on you and genocide will ensue. Enjoy your guns and put up with the fact that each time this happens again we'll continue to say "i told you so"

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Thank you, we will.

I also can't help but notice that no one has commented on the fact that a gun did not kill those children. A severly wacked person, using a gun as his tool, did. No one seems to want to discuss the role which mental illness plays in incidents like these. So far, reports are that many people knew this guy was disturbed. I'd like to know more about why he was free to do what he did; how well were his mental issues known and to whom; what measures were in place to address them; etc. Find some solutions there and the gun ownership issue is moot.

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Originally Posted by race aficionado

FACT: If there is less of anything, the chances of getting anything of it are less possible due to the fact that they are not that easily available.

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Fact: Alcohol was banned here early in the century. Result: Plenty of alcohol available, at a slightly higher price and with a new class of criminals engaged in a violent trade.
Fact: Drugs are banned here. Result: Plenty of drugs available, now with a very violent class of criminal getting the huge profits and addicts getting virtually no treatment.
Fact: Guns banned in New York city and Washington DC. Result: Gun violence rampant in those cities and the law abiding general populace helpless.
What, exactly, makes you believe that if you ban guns (assuming you even could) they would not be easily available?

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If a kid lives in a house where there are various hand guns, rifles, or any other bullet shooting weapons that were purchased legally and are part of their household - and if that kid goes nuts for whatever reason (mental illness or drug caused or just plain pissed off with life), the probabilities of this kid getting those weapons from his home and going out to cause crazy, crazy, pain are magnified exponentially.

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It is rare indeed that someone just "goes nuts". The signs are usually there for a long time and people who interact with them know that there is a problem. But, no one deals with it.

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Originally Posted by anthonyvop

What have we learned by that video.

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That your country allows idiots to have guns in the first place.

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Originally Posted by Starter

Your assertion is stupid. That's like saying that if there were no gravity all those kids could have floated to safety. The society here IS armed and no amount of hand wringing or wishful thinking will change that. Gravity exists and so do the millions of guns here. Deal with the reality of both of them.

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If no amount of hand wringing or wishful thinking will change the fact that society is armed and you've either weakened government to the point where it can not or is not allowed to do anything about it, then this will happen again and again and again...

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Originally Posted by Rollo

America will take 3 weeks to flagellate itself, make crying noises, boo hoo hoo and all that, forget about it and then wait another six months when another massacre will occur (in which time another 5750 people will have died because of guns) and we can all go around the merry go round again.

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Originally Posted by Starter

What, exactly, makes you believe that if you ban guns (assuming you even could) they would not be easily available?

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Never said that Starter, I said "less".
Law enforcement needs guns, licensed hunter's and target practice practitioners need their legally and responsibly obtained weapons.

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Originally Posted by Robinho

Then you all deserve to keep having these tragedies happen on your doorsteps, to your communities, as the simple statement seems to be "we don't want to do anything about guns". If and when this happens to you, your family or friends you have brought it on yourselves by hanging on to some grim paranoia that without guns the USA will fold, your government will turn on you and genocide will ensue. Enjoy your guns and put up with the fact that each time this happens again we'll continue to say "i told you so"

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yes I agree that the government needs to be kept at bay, that is why we have guns and are not giving them up. The world has become a cesspool sprinkled with a few gorgeous Whores. Just will have to accept is as it is. We will continue to shoot one another and you will continue to bomb one another and the end result will be the same. Horrible death.

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Originally Posted by Starter

Thank you, we will.

I also can't help but notice that no one has commented on the fact that a gun did not kill those children. A severly wacked person, using a gun as his tool, did. No one seems to want to discuss the role which mental illness plays in incidents like these. So far, reports are that many people knew this guy was disturbed. I'd like to know more about why he was free to do what he did; how well were his mental issues known and to whom; what measures were in place to address them; etc. Find some solutions there and the gun ownership issue is moot.

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Starter: Is is coming out that this kid was very intelligent. He could have got guns from many places or even more scary - built bombs. The fact that he shot his own Mother in the face sends a chilling message that someone did not deal with the symptoms. Also he spent hour and hours with violent video games. They say his Mother was overbearing. More about the personalities is coming.