Same Sex Marriage

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

gay people aren't that different to anyone else.

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From a parenting and natural birth point of view - mothers bonding, breast feeding etc - I think you may find there is a difference.

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

From a parenting and natural birth point of view - mothers bonding, breast feeding etc - I think you may find there is a difference.

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Marriage is about more than just child-rearing and parenting. You may as well forbid it to a heterosexual couple who have no intention of having kids.

Well, well.... I speak of aggressive gays and there he is... Tearing apart everyone who disagrees with him. Now no-one can say they don't know one who's sticking in everyone's faces.


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The famous philosopher Groucho Marx once said: "I don't want to belong to a club that will accept people like me as a member".
My question to BDunnell and other homosexuals is: "Why do you so desperately want to belong to a club that will not accept people like you as a member"?

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

Marriage is about more than just child-rearing and parenting. You may as well forbid it to a heterosexual couple who have no intention of having kids.

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There'd be no point, in my opinion, in the couple needing to be married in that case. If they split up, there are no kids lives destroyed so no need for a legal bond to tie the two together. No need for a ring on the finger to say 'I'm taken' etc.

Again, feel free to call me old fashioned. But that is what I see as the reason behind Church marriages.

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Originally Posted by Big Ben

Well, well.... I speak of aggressive gays and there he is... Tearing apart everyone who disagrees with him. Now no-one can say they don't know one who's sticking in everyone's faces.

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Can you not understand why I feel so strongly about this, and why I might be rather irritated by people saying I'm some kind of inferior citizen, not worthy of the same rights as everyone else, just on the grounds of what happens to be my sexuality? Furthermore, how dare you describe me as an 'aggressive gay'. I wouldn't call someone an 'aggressive straight', so why make the distinction based purely on sexuality?

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

An adoption by a same-sex couple should be considered using exactly the same criteria as one by a heterosexual couple. What's the difference? I hope you're not suggesting that a child's welfare is somehow at more risk as a result of adoption by a same-sex couple.

Honestly, I don't understand why any of these questions are deemed 'tricky' at all. It all strikes me as extremely simple. There are no sound practical reasons to withhold rights of any kind based merely on sexuality. This is not a hard concept.

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The point I was trying to make is that the debate of same-sex marriage is a straightforward as it involves only the couple. The debate is expanded when adoption is introduced because the wellbeing of the child needs to be considered.

I’m sure that a same-sex couple is more than capable of nurturing a child but I can only assume that there are potential psychological issues to be considered for a child raised by parents of the same sex in a world where the majority is the opposite.

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

There'd be no point, in my opinion, in the couple needing to be married in that case. If they split up, there are no kids lives destroyed so no need for a legal bond to tie the two together. No need for a ring on the finger to say 'I'm taken' etc.

Again, feel free to call me old fashioned. But that is what I see as the reason behind Church marriages.

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I do see this as very old-fashioned, yes, and also unduly restrictive. What's so bad about giving everyone a free choice within the law?

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

Can you not understand why I feel so strongly about this, and why I might be rather irritated by people saying I'm some kind of inferior citizen, not worthy of the same rights as everyone else, just on the grounds of what happens to be my sexuality? Furthermore, how dare you describe me as an 'aggressive gay'. I wouldn't call someone an 'aggressive straight', so why make the distinction based purely on sexuality?

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You still think I think you are inferior and that I am a bigot? That my kids are unfortunate because of my opinions?

I make jokes about many things that I find funny. Sometimes, that may include a sexually themed joke.

If you chose to see that as derogatory, when I quite often poke fun at myself, then so be it.

That's me, deal with it.

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

I do see this as very old-fashioned, yes, and also unduly restrictive. What's so bad about giving everyone a free choice within the law?

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Free love within marriage and all that (not bigamy)? Is that what you include free choice?