Government is evil...

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

The Bible - is that document fact, or just heresay from the 'witness accounts' of people who may or may not exist, but no-one has as yet been able to prove existed.....

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Honestly it doesn't matter if the Bible is pure fact or pure fary tail. It doesn't even matter if you believe in it or not. The point is that common law has its basis in the 10 Commandments, like it or not, believe it or not. People millinia ago did believe it, and based laws on it.

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

Therefore, if there were no religion, there would be a lot less war......

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Really, hmmmm, Genghis Khan and Alexander the Great, what religion drove their military campaigns. The same would go for the Roman Empire.
Are you saying religion based war is the creation of modern man?

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Originally Posted by chuck34

I understand that Rudy, and I'm sure that's why most people think abortion is ok. But it's a slippery road. Without going "there", under this belief what stops someone from saying you don't have blond hair and blue eyes, your right to life is hereby revoked?

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Are you saying God is evil for causing spontaneous abortions in women?
(To be fair, I think abortion should be illegal after the first tri-mester-- except for medical yada-yada-yada....)

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Originally Posted by chuck34

Honestly it doesn't matter if the Bible is pure fact or pure fary tail. It doesn't even matter if you believe in it or not. The point is that common law has its basis in the 10 Commandments, like it or not, believe it or not. People millinia ago did believe it, and based laws on it.

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If the Bible is a farce, Christians lose nothing; if it is fact, Christians gained a blessed eternity.

But that assumes that the 10 commandments were invented on the spot and before that it was ok to steal and murder?

Perhaps they are just the first recorded record of what was already well understood.

Bob, I don't really think going down this religous path with you is adding anything to the point of discussion. We have strayed from the point, where do the rights of man come from?

You seem to believe that they have been granted by some "legal" entity at some point in our history. My take on that is to say that if rights were granted by a "legal" entity at some arbitrary point in time, they can just as easily be taken away at an arbitrary point in time. How do you propose that we may protect our rights if this is the case?

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

That's not strictly true - it is accepted by many that we evolved from apes.

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That's not strictly true either... it is accepted by many that we and apes evolved from a common ancestor. :)

The price of freedom is eternal vigilence?

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Originally Posted by chuck34

common law has its basis in the 10 Commandments,

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Are you implying that without your bible there would be no common law?
It's the other way round: the 10 commandments were more likely based on the common law at that point in space and time :)

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Originally Posted by Mark

But that assumes that the 10 commandments were invented on the spot and before that it was ok to steal and murder?

Perhaps they are just the first recorded record of what was already well understood.

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That very well could be the case. But the people that wrote them down believed them to be God-given. And the people who have based law on them for millinia have also believed them to be God-given. So if you believe them to be truly God-given or not honestly doesn't matter at this point. They are what they are.