Prostitution

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Originally Posted by gadjo_dilo

Sorry guys but I think it's time to return to the main issue of this thread which is prostitution. Meaning sex on money ( or other material interests ).

At this moment I'm probably the only woman who attends this thread. And I confess I'm disappointed by what I read here.

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I agree and am as guilty as anyone in the thread drifting off topic.

Being that you are probably the only female watching the thread what are your views?

Personally in my travels I've found that prostitution exists just about everywhere. In some places in the seedier corners of the seedy area of town, in other places right out in the open. I have to think that allowing it to be legal with some type of regulation is the safer alternative, as the prostitutes wouldn't have to "hide" from the police and would have more protection, and medical testing would keep them and customers safer from STDs and the like. But on the flip side I realize that like any business, many would avoid the taxes and legal requirements and there would still be a black market illegal side of the trade.

It was also interesting in my travels the varied levels of acceptance of the trade. In Germany is was not really frowned upon, and in Portugal it was almost accepted that any woman could be approached and would not take offence even if not a working girl, and the price might change their mind.

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Originally Posted by gadjo_dilo

Sorry guys but I think it's time to return to the main issue of this thread which is prostitution. Meaning sex on money ( or other material interests ).

At this moment I'm probably the only woman who attends this thread. And I confess I'm disappointed by what I read here.

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As I think I mentioned early on, I have no issue with (adult) prostitution. Though I understand why some people do. But in general, I just don't feel that a government should impose its will on what consenting adults do with one another, or the arrangements they make with one another. IMO, a girl who marries a man ONLY for his money is engaging in a form of legal and socially acceptable prostitution, much the same as the girl who engages in sex acts with a "sugar daddy". The only difference between the two is the presence of a marriage certificate.

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Originally Posted by ioan

Looks to me that people around here have more problem with consented sexual relationships than they have with prostitution.

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The only issue some (myself, anyway) have with "consented sexual relationships" is when one of the parties in question is below the statutory age of consent. The only thing you've really done is argue that the age of consent should be 16, and claim that it's "puritanical" or "hypocritical" to have views that differ from your view. The only real hypocrisy that I've seen in this thread is from people who believe that there should be one set of rules/laws for women and another for men. And as was clearly (or sarcastically) pointed out, that may create some sticky, unexpected issues for them.

Whether it's for sex, or other acts requiring consent, different nations, states and/or societies may decide what the age of consent is or should be. And there may be exceptions. For instance:

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The legal age of basic consent in Nevada is 16 years of age. However it should be noted that in 1997 the State of Nevada passed a law that says having sex with a minor is illegal if the adult is in a command or authoritative position over the minor, such as a teacher, coach, employer, foster parent, and so on. In that case the minimum age of consent would be 18 years of age.

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Also, prostitution is legal in some parts of Nevada, but only in brothels. However, the age of consent for prostitutes is 18 in Nevada. And throughout the United States, the minimum legal age for participating in pornography is 18.

I was scanning the channels the other day and came across a ultimate fighting championship match. This guy was bashing the other one face in with punches and elbows. Was pretty sickening to even watch. This is legal and a piece of ass is illegal - my god what have we become?

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Originally Posted by Jag_Warrior

As I think I mentioned early on, I have no issue with (adult) prostitution. Though I understand why some people do. But in general, I just don't feel that a government should impose its will on what consenting adults do with one another, or the arrangements they make with one another. IMO, a girl who marries a man ONLY for his money is engaging in a form of legal and socially acceptable prostitution, much the same as the girl who engages in sex acts with a "sugar daddy". The only difference between the two is the presence of a marriage certificate.

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On brief:
1. First of all there are also men who marries women for money but what opinions can I expect in a men’s world? At the end of the day prostitution is not only a feminine privilege. There are also masculine „cocottes”.
2. Even in marriages that were based on love and mutual interests at some point may appear misunderstandings. Still the partners continue to live together. Do you think it’s also a sort of socially acceptable prostitution?
3. I’m afraid you see marriage as a legal cadre to perform sexual acts. Personally I think it deals with a lot more other things than sexual relationships. Maybe that’s the reason why it requires a lot of thinking before assuming it.
More than that, when you marry someone you are supposed to start a family and to live in common with that person, when you go to the whores it’s like my father used to say „Incaleca si fute/Descaleca si du-te” - can’t translate this because it would lose the saviour of the rhyme. ( But I must apoligize to Ioan, for using such a rude expression. Otherwise, in real life I'm a very polite person ).

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Originally Posted by Roamy

I was scanning the channels the other day and came across a ultimate fighting championship match. This guy was bashing the other one face in with punches and elbows. Was pretty sickening to even watch. This is legal and a piece of ass is illegal - my god what have we become?

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That's the mainstream American culture. Puritan on anything sex related, very accepting on violence.

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Originally Posted by airshifter

Being that you are probably the only female watching the thread what are your views?

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I think the question was if it’s legal or illegal. Legal or illegal it’s immoral. It alwavs existed, still exists and will exist forever. But I think it’s wrong to legalise an immoral act.

You guys, talked a lot about the age of consent - which is not neccessarily related to prostitution. But what about the girls ( not neccessarily under 18) , most of them from eastern Europe, who are victims of the human traffic networks ?


P.S. Fatality! I posted this 10 minutes ago and I couldn't view it. Had to type it again......

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Originally Posted by gadjo_dilo

I think the question was if it’s legal or illegal. Legal or illegal it’s immoral. It alwavs existed, still exists and will exist forever. But I think it’s wrong to legalise an immoral act.

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But views on what is immoral and what is not vary so wildly that this cannot be taken as a general position.

You're right. Maybe I make the mistake to associate morality with dignity......

I'm trying an exercise of imagination: supposing prostitution will be legalised in my country and the profession of "whore" will be accepted by society....
One day I'll lose my job and I go to the Agency of unemployed workers to find out the only vacant jobs are in a brothel.....

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Originally Posted by gadjo_dilo

I think the question was if it’s legal or illegal. Legal or illegal it’s immoral. It alwavs existed, still exists and will exist forever. But I think it’s wrong to legalise an immoral act.

You guys, talked a lot about the age of consent - which is not neccessarily related to prostitution. But what about the girls ( not neccessarily under 18) , most of them from eastern Europe, who are victims of the human traffic networks ?


P.S. Fatality! I posted this 10 minutes ago and I couldn't view it. Had to type it again......

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Consentual sex, say with an individual someone meets in a bar over a few drinks is fine, not puritanic, etc. but sex for money is immoral...? Not sure I understand that logic. Who defines morality? Legalizing and regulating prostitution, which you freely admit has essentially always existed and will never go away, seems for more logical than attempting to legislate morality. I have ZERO problem with regulating it from a public health aspect to prevent abuse and disease, and establishing a minimum age. We have established minimum ages for employment in all employment for jsut that purpose. If someone is of a culturally and socially agreed upon age to consent to sex, what business is it of the government to decide if they choose to perform sex acts for money if they comply with health standards?

Human trafficing exists in far more industries than just prostitution. Regulate prostitution, and you make it far easier to identify things like human trafficing.