Lars Vilks gets the muslim free speech treatment

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Originally Posted by Eki

obey the current laws

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And by CURRENT law. Who has control of the region you will find on most maps marked as Israel?

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Originally Posted by chuck34

And by CURRENT law. Who has control of the region you will find on most maps marked as Israel?

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Jews, but they control the Occupied Territories illegally (= against the international law).

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Originally Posted by Rollo

And somehow, you also have forgotten that the majority of Jews living there weren't post WW2 Europeans, but decendents of pre-WW2 diaspora returning, ex-Yemenite Jews and their decendents and the nearly 1 million Jews who returned from Arabic countries.

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In 1948, 65% of the Jews and Non-Arabs in Israel were foreign born. And still today they are about 35%. So, most Jews in Israel are either foreign born or 2nd or 3rd generation immigrants:

http://www.factsofisrael.com/blog/archives/000857.html

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Of the country's Jewish and non-Arab population , 65 percent were born in Israel. In 1948, only 35 percent of Jews were born in the country.

The Jews and non-Arabs who were not born in Israel number 1,930,000; those who came from the former Soviet Union comprise the largest foreign-born group in Israel. In addition to the 950,000 that came from the former USSR, 157,000 people living in Israel were born in Morocco, 110,000 are from Romania, and 77,000 are originally North American, 70,000 from Iraq, 70,000 from Ethiopia and 64,000 from Poland. Three million people have immigrated to Israel since 1948, more than one million of them since 1990.

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In any other modern country you would call that an immigration problem.

WOW I never realized Canada had such a major immigration problem.
Either that or we are not a modern country.
We accept up to 1/4 of a million legal immigrants every year.
So since 1990 about 5 million immigrants.
And that does not count the illegals.

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Originally Posted by Eki

No, that's your world, where you think Jews have an automatic right to move to Israel, just because their ancestors lived there thousands or at least hundreds of years ago. Or Rollo's world, where it should belong to the Ottoman Empire, because they lived there 1923. In my world people are just expected to obey the current laws and not some old scriptures that talk about a "promised land" and they shouldn't have any special treatment because someone tried to exterminate them almost 70 years ago.

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I have a question for you then. Say your neighbour forces you to live in exile and I come and start living in your home. How much time has to pass before I 'legally' own your house?
How long before I can call you an immigrant trying to force me out of MY (your) home?

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Originally Posted by Eki

Jews, but they control the Occupied Territories illegally (= against the international law).

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Now we're getting somewhere. At least you have now conceeded Israel's right to exist. I think that may be a first.

So who controls the Occupied Territories?

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Originally Posted by Easy Drifter

WOW I never realized Canada had such a major immigration problem.
Either that or we are not a modern country.
We accept up to 1/4 of a million legal immigrants every year.
So since 1990 about 5 million immigrants.
And that does not count the illegals.

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Look at the percentages, not the total numbers. Besides, Canada has about 4 to 5 times more people and about 400 to 500 times larger area. So, based on population, you should accept over 1 million immigrants yearly and based on area, over 100 million. Would that be a problem to you?

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Originally Posted by chuck34

Now we're getting somewhere. At least you have now conceeded Israel's right to exist. I think that may be a first.

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Legal right, but not moral right. There's a difference.

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Originally Posted by chuck34

So who controls the Occupied Territories?

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Israel, as an occupier against the international law.

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Originally Posted by Eki

No, that's your world, where you think Jews have an automatic right to move to Israel, just because their ancestors lived there thousands or at least hundreds of years ago. Or Rollo's world, where it should belong to the Ottoman Empire, because they lived there 1923. In my world people are just expected to obey the current laws and not some old scriptures that talk about a "promised land" and they shouldn't have any special treatment because someone tried to exterminate them almost 70 years ago.

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So then by your standard if history does not matter, then whom ever controls it owns it.
International law is a farce with people who have legal standings telling people who do live there what is proper.
Anyone who lets an outsider control their lives is a sheep being led to slaughter.

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Originally Posted by Eki

I'd prefer Sweden. Someone has suggested that Finland, Sweden, Norway, Denmark and Iceland should unite like in the Kalmar Union (1397–1523). I think it might actually be a good idea.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalmar_Union

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Maybe we should make it a Lutheran Nation and let all Lutherans immigrate freely and push aside others from their way. Then we could annex areas around Wurttemberg in Germany to it. It is our Holy Land after all.