For those who think Bush is the problem...read.

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Originally Posted by chuck34

So if you force doctors to take lower salaries, do you think that will improve the health care system?

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Do you think they'd decide to become for example teachers when they still make at least twice as much as teachers? If there aren't high paying jobs for doctors, they'll take what they can get as long as the deal is good enough to stay working as a doctor.

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Originally Posted by Eki

If there aren't high paying jobs for doctors, they'll take what they can get as long as the deal is good enough to stay working as a doctor.

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Really?

We already have a doctor shortage. With Obamacare even less people will go through the over 8 years of hell to become a doctor to work for civil servant salary.

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Originally Posted by anthonyvop

Really?

We already have a doctor shortage. With Obamacare even less people will go through the over 8 years of hell to become a doctor to work for civil servant salary.

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Well the only good thing about this is there will be more women doctors so it will be less offensive when you get your prostrate checked :)

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Originally Posted by chuck34

So if you force doctors to take lower salaries, do you think that will improve the health care system?

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Chuck, salaries have very little to do with the quality of doctors in any system. In just about any country in the world the number of doctors is limited by one factor only, the ability of the country to train sufficient numbers.

If anything if you cut the salaries of doctors in the US you may get rid of a substantial number of the unpleasant types who forget that they are treating people and only pursue financial renumeration. As Fousto has inadvertently pointed out you'll still get enough doctors, just ones who are motivated by factors other than money.

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Originally Posted by Dylan H

Chuck, salaries have very little to do with the quality of doctors in any system. In just about any country in the world the number of doctors is limited by one factor only, the ability of the country to train sufficient numbers.

If anything if you cut the salaries of doctors in the US you may get rid of a substantial number of the unpleasant types who forget that they are treating people and only pursue financial renumeration. As Fousto has inadvertently pointed out you'll still get enough doctors, just ones who are motivated by factors other than money.

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Tell that to the small towns around my home town which now have NO clinic or simply NO doctors.
You must think it is great to have to drive thirty to forty miles, or more to find a doctor.
Every little burg with population of one hundred or more used to have at least one doctor in town.

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Originally Posted by Bob Riebe

Tell that to the small towns around my home town which now have NO clinic or simply NO doctors.
You must think it is great to have to drive thirty to forty miles, or more to find a doctor.
Every little burg with population of one hundred or more used to have at least one doctor in town.

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Bob, why exactly do you think that villages with populations of only 100 or so don't have doctors any more? Because it isn't profitable enough for those doctors to only treat populations so small perhaps?

Running healthcare with profit as the only motive results in exactly the situation you describe.

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Originally Posted by Dylan H

Bob, why exactly do you think that villages with populations of only 100 or so don't have doctors any more? Because it isn't profitable enough for those doctors to only treat populations so small perhaps?

Running healthcare with profit as the only motive results in exactly the situation you describe.

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If you see it from that aspect then the problem runs far deeper than profit medical care. The only thing that has inflated near the same rate as doctor costs is education; therefore the Feds. must step in an reduce the wages in the educational institutes so the people running the colleges do not make millions whilst the teachers make tens of thousands; ESPECIALLY in medical schools.

With reduced educational costs the doctors will not have to charge so much to pay for their education, and of course the government, the same one that sat around scratching is ass and picking its nose as ITS rules destroyed Fannie and Freddie, will use its error free pixie dust to bring their smooth running train to education.
NO more private or state colleges everyone can go to the wonderful Fed. institutions.
Of course, the same Feds. who forced this state run law on its citizens are exempt by law from having to use said same system; whereas they are also the same people who voted THEMSELVES a pay raise during an economy THEY said was near as bad as the Great Depression.

BRILLIANT!

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Originally Posted by Dylan H

Chuck, salaries have very little to do with the quality of doctors in any system. .

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Really?

Hypothetical: You need some delicate, advanced medical treatment.
Would you prefer having;

A. A doctor who earns top dollar at John Hopkins or the Mayo Clinic

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B. Dr. Tie-dye from the "People's Clinic Co-op" in East L.A.

Don't bother answering....we both know the truth.

Salaries have a great deal to do with quality of work. There are exceptions but they are very, very rare.

Chuck would take Tie dye because he is beyond help.

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Originally Posted by janvanvurpa

Mindset is right, the problem is that minority screams so loud that some OUTSIDE observers are fooled into thinking that that is the norm, and they, and their foreign mouthpieces, ignore that ignorant minority's constant desires for Government Interference into the PRIVATE lives of all of the rest of the country who they don't agree with.
The selective and ignorant nature of the vocal minority's cries about "as little government interference" is excellently illustrated in the latest astro-turf campaign of the so called tea baggers to "keep the government out of my Medi-care" we saw so famously.

They want the "gubbymint" to leave them alone, but want the gubbymint to control everybody else.
Real American.....

The confusion of that "mindset" is illustrated well by one of their heroes who said so famously ""A mind is a terrible thing to waste," and said, "You take the UNCF model that what a waste it is to lose one's mind or not to have a mind is being very wasteful. How true that is."[13]"

(let's see if our beloved foreign defender and expert on all things American knows who said that....)

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I do know Qualyle mangled it once Jan..but I really don't care....

ON me being a defender? I guess you missed the @ss whupping I got for calling into question your military's actions in Iraq with a helicopter. I can be critical. On this one, no....I am not that critical. I am realistic...and not even sure where your point is going...but I could put you back on ignore and not have to worry about it again...