Donkey of the race

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Originally Posted by I am evil Homer

That is a very good article, as ever from James.

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It is a good article, even if it simply points out what people too often tend to forget:

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Button is 30 years old and ten years into his F1 career, whereas Hamilton is 25 and only three years in. Perhaps because he won the title so early in his career and has been a front runner since day one, we forget that he still isn’t the complete package...

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

Well, it's the German way of shortening it — the surname would never be shortened to 'Schuey' in German. A small but important difference.

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Air-ton/Aye-air-ton - I'd rather pronounce the latter out of respect for Senna.

Same with Kubi-za and not Kubi-ka

Mark Webber = Dickhead

Reb Bull should give his seat to anyone but him. Another rubbish drive.

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Originally Posted by I am evil Homer

That is a very good article, as ever from James.

I just think people read way too much into it - he had huge pace yesterday but got shunted out. the post-race interview he was angry, and who wouldn't be. I bet today he is more restrained because he sees how things played out but 5 mins after the race i'd expected nothing less than what he showed.

The radio conversation was a different matter. That showed immaturity but then this is only his third season.

Lewis' biggest issue was his qualification performance that wasn't up to his usual standards and that put him under pressure. Not to mention the police incident...all in all not a great weekend for him

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Vettel reacts better, at least when he speaks about his team, and he is even younger. But what is done is done, I disapprove, keep my fingers crossed for Jenson, time to move on :)

I wonder who holds the record over the last three seasons for chopping and running into folks??? Could that be none other than everyone's favorite serial chopper??

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Originally Posted by henners88

I have a feeling whatever he does your opinion will not change, so please feel free to beleive what you want. I'm not here to change opinions but convey my own personal views. You could say 90% of the grid are spoiled brats if they get angry on a team radio or foolishly give honest views to the media. We've seen Lewis along with Vettel, Alonso and even Schumacher voice opinions this weekend, but ultimately Lewis will be the one guy everyone wants to talk about.

Its what goes with the territory of being the worlds most popular F1 driver.. :)

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It's not like the first time he takes publicly such a stance against the team that backed him for so long and gave him a competitive car from day one. I don't recall any driver being backed like that or any rookie being put above a 2 times wdc. Yes, it's my opinion that this guy has a despicable character and all he does seem to prove I'm not wrong. He was the one that created the tension between FA and McLaren in Hungary and it worked fine for him but no one can say the same thing about the team. Even so they were behind him. Why? I don't know. Than he lied to disqualify an opponent and when discovered blamed again someone else from his team. And now this.

I was a McLaren fan before LH came along. Maybe some day they'll give him the boot. He deserves it.

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Originally Posted by eu

It's not like the first time he takes publicly such a stance against the team that backed him for so long and gave him a competitive car from day one. I don't recall any driver being backed like that...

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I agree it's not the first time Hamilton has voiced his frustration, but then he's a competitive racing driver. He was hardly going to be happy about the way his Australian race panned out, particularly as his new team mate was up front winning the race.

There are similarities between Hamilton and Vettel as they both want to win, and they're both demanding of their teams. I have thought a number of times that Vettel has appeared very pissed off in front of the press when things haven't gone his way, but again I think that's understandable and in many ways it's good that we see their personalities in this way.

For some reason Hamilton seems to be the target of more criticism that others and this may have something to do with the way he made his way into F1. Some feel he was "gifted" his seat at McLaren, but whether that view is justified or not, the fact is he's a competitive sportsman who does not like losing.

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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

I agree it's not the first time Hamilton has voiced his frustration, but then he's a competitive racing driver. He was hardly going to be happy about the way his Australian race panned out, particularly as his new team mate was up front winning the race.

There are similarities between Hamilton and Vettel as they both want to win, and they're both demanding of their teams. I have thought a number of times that Vettel has appeared very pissed off in front of the press when things haven't gone his way, but again I think that's understandable and in many ways it's good that we see their personalities in this way.

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It's not the 'correct' way of doing things.

By all means voice your fustrations over the radio but no to the media, such things should be done behind closed doors.

Schumi has never done this and Massa has done well in taking Schumi's mantra of 'win as a team, lose as a team'.

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Originally Posted by wedge

It's not the 'correct' way of doing things.

By all means voice your fustrations over the radio but no to the media, such things should be done behind closed doors.

Schumi has never done this and Massa has done well in taking Schumi's mantra of 'win as a team, lose as a team'.

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I do not think he has learned that, and by now, since he has not, then he never will, although many others (including big name journalists) have said the same from the beginning of his driving as an F1 driver three years ago.

I used to have a big collection of his quotes in various posts that I guess remain somewhere buried in the archives, but one constant theme was how I could do this and do that, got the pole in Canada his first year because I am a better driver that did what no other driver could do...AND HOW I WON......but when it was less than stellar, it was either "we" or "they" or "the team" that did not do so well....

You would think that he would have learned by now that "I won, we lost" does not sit so well with some folks, esp. I would think with his team members....

but like I said, there are these political types, that no matter how bad they screw up, they walk through it as though it never happenned....perhaps explaining why I am where I am.

as to hating, I would hope we all recognize that in the world, f1 is of relatively minor importance, (read this morning's news about the Moscow subway) and while I am as quilty as anyone in bashing/making fun of drivers, it is not intended as hatred, but just more entertainment and fun


OTOH, if the fire don't burn, then they should not be there :vader:

and I think it burns in every driver whoever managed to make it to the f1 grid throughout history--with some it is a little more appearant either through their driving or their mouth :s mokin:

and speaking of why I am where I am, I gots to go cause I am late too work.... :eek:

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Originally Posted by wedge

Schumi has never done this and Massa has done well in taking Schumi's mantra of 'win as a team, lose as a team'.

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How do we know Schumi has never done it? We rarely got to hear Ferrari's radio comms when he was there, but I agree that the radio is one thing, and speaking to the media after the race is another.

Hamilton too has often expressed the 'win as a team, lose as a team' mantra.