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if you notice, jens said 'health' not 'life'. there is a difference, maybe if you read the post properly you wouldnt need to retaliate like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
and he makes a point. a crash like that, going backwards into the wall, could *Potentially* (low risk these days but even so....) do injury to PK's spine. Im not saying huge damage, but small injuries can be caused. ;)
OK. no one cares for those stuntmen's health, but cry about Piquet being in danger in what is the safest race car on earth.Quote:
Originally Posted by UltimateDanGTR
Of course it might happen that he is injured as well as it might happen that he falls of his bed during sleep and brakes a finger or an arm. ;)
Not so sure about the bold bit, is F1 the safest form of motor racing? thats another issue,Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
but you have a fair point, there is only a small possibility of injury, which is like I said, although id say you're more likely to be injured in an F1 car crash than a your own bed, unless some statistics can persuade me otherwise! :)
i have to say i am stunned by your POV Ioan. were you not the same man who wanted better crash protection after the massa incident?
To now be saying an shunt at 100 is nothing is quite a turn-around. I take it you have never gone backwards into the wall? Trust me; it hurts.
well F1 cars have much better rear protection than your normal road car, but injury definatly isnt out of the question, which is the point ive made above, but i would rather crash backwards in an F1 car than a road car (if both at same speed)Quote:
Originally Posted by Sonic
Not talking road car here. Only thing I've ever shunted has been purpose built racing machinery - trust me it still hurts.
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Originally Posted by ioan
i'm glad i'm not the only one who sees this statement as outlandish, coming from the man who wants covered cockpits amongst other crash protection measures since Massa's accident and that no avenue for safety should be left uninvestigated if it can improve the safety of the drivers, regardless of the comparable risk.
Stunt drivers crash under incredibly controlled and pre-planned circumstances. they don't do what they are told, as normally they are the ones planning teh stunt and they are very much in demand for their skill and bravery and as such command a healthy wage and have a lot of say on how a stunt is done.
IF Piquet did crash on purpose, on a live race track with 19 other drivers attempting to drive the track as quicly as possible there are 19 other things that cannot be controlled, and on a tight, fenced street circuit, the chance of another car coming across a crashed car and becoming involved is pretty high - raising teh possibility of flying debris, cars etc. the car that crashed in front of Henry Surtees was not travelled that fast when it crashed in to the barriers, but circumstances where enough to rip a wheel off and we all know what happened there.
Piquet may have been able to "crash" relatively safely, but easily could have found himself in the line of fire of another car or sent a wheel flying into the path of another driver and we know how dangerous this can be.
IF piquet did go through with this he is a d1ck of the highest order, even if only going through with a team order. he can come out of this only smelling of . IF proved true then he should never drive competitively again, and the team should be chucked out if the guilt can be proved and traced. if traced to Flav then its goodbye. i'm not saying that Piquet should get more blame, but if involved in the plan and he carried it through then he should get every bit as much of the flak as the idiots who dreamed it up.
however, i still maintain that they will never prove anything, although thats not to say i don't belive that it could be true
You are mistaking a premeditated action with an accident.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sonic
You are also mistaking accidents with premeditated actions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Robinho
Regardless of what you believe we are mistaking, you were calling for Renaults head on a plate after realeasing Fred from his Hungarian pitstop with the possibility of a wheel becoming detatched from the car, yet you are also claiming that backing your car into a wall at 100mph is perfectly safe both for the driver involved, the 19 other cars, and most importantly (if I remember you previous argument correctly) the paying public who could be injured by flying wheels or bodywork.
I repeat - I am stunned.