Danica's Rant

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Originally Posted by D28

Actally I am reading it correctly, the claim was widely publicized last Apr, that Danica was the first winner worldwide. This is untrue. She is the first female IndyCar winner, or the first in major American Open Wheel series (CART, USAC, IndyCar). This by itself is an important achievement and a milestone in womens motorsport. There is no need to hype the record beyond this. Your point on Liz Halliday is well taken. Sebring is obviously a major international race and a class win is significant. Probably this makes LH the first female American winner of a major race. Any other candidates?

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Michele Mouton.

Danica isn't good enough to carry Michele Mouton's Panty Liners.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mich%C3%A8le_Mouton

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Originally Posted by downtowndeco

That's all I'm trying to say as well. She's a solid, decent river. No world beater, but very good, consistant (and the 6th place finish in the points proves it).

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Her 6th place points finish does prove that she is consistent, I'll give you that. But with what amounts to an 8 car championship considering most of the tracks are aero and come down to the driver with the most balls on the team with the most aero wind tunnel work. At 6th, she finished 3rd to last ahead of her rookie teammate and her other teammate who crashed out of races while battling with leads packs (although he's an idiot too). So, she is consistent, at being in the middle of a pack with cars behind her that were not as developed as her own.

Take away all the aero tracks and recalculate the points based on those where driver skill comes into play. I don't care to take the time because I already know she stinks. The fact she isn't even fast enought to battle with competitors lends her to work up to some top 10 road/street course finishes through attrition. Her team has her on an "alternate" fuel strategy at every single race because she's off the pace and cannot pass to gain any track position on her own.

All of this and take into consideration she cannot even set-up her own car at what 5 years into the series now? Forget about her lack of pre-IRL success which further supports the story, she can't even help her team be competitive. Her team owner has to buy into and operate the American A1GP program just to get her (and Marco) more seat time. Who that is a decent driver needs more seat time to improve at 5 years into a career?

Here is my point, she's an overrated, spoiled, selfish brat that never earned her way to the bigs to begin with. Whether you want to think she is an average driver or whatever is your right. But the FACTS seem to support she is just another example of a high profile person that was over glorified by the media because she was made up to look attractive to teenage boys in FHM. Before that, DP had no racing credibility, no racing credentials, and no way of ever sniffing the likes of an Indycar. Spin it however you want, until she sticks her nose in with the big boys once in awhile, or ever at all, she is a ride buying (through sponsors) no talent little brat. Sponsors liked her because the hype suggested she garners attention...the hype is rapidly receding due to lack of results and frequency of non-results, finger pointing, and tantrums. It'll be intersting to see how sponsors, in the midst of recession, continue to throw sponsorship dollars at a gimmick, a side show at professional races.

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Originally Posted by F1boat

IThey hate her because she is a pretty girl competing is a boys sport and because she is in a top team, unlike many CCWS drivers.
But she got a win, luck and strategy are part of the game. So she is a solid driver and deserves her place in the series.

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Don't even say that, we all have reasons why we dislike/like her but this is just flat wrong, thats like people saying your a racist if you don't like Lewis Hamilton, I guess since if you don't like Danica, your a sexist, give me a break. I dislike Hamilton, but I am just astounded by the way he can drive a car and earns alot of respect for this. Danica, on the other hand, meh... shes not even that decent looking (IMO), and she stuggles with the car even though shes in the "Big 3". but the media goes gah-gah over her thinking shes great, just look at this years Indy race, need I say more :dozey:

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Originally Posted by anthonyvop

Michele Mouton.

Danica isn't good enough to carry Michele Mouton's Panty Liners.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mich%C3%A8le_Mouton

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I assume the Closed Course portion of the original quote was inserted to exclude Rally drivers such as Michele Mouton, who anyway is French. I have only considered the exploits of women racing drivers.

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Originally Posted by D28

I assume the Closed Course portion of the original quote was inserted to exclude Rally drivers such as Michele Mouton, who anyway is French. I have only considered the exploits of women racing drivers.

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I would strongly suggest that you never, ever try to tell Michele Mouton she is not a racing driver.

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Originally Posted by D28

I assume the Closed Course portion of the original quote was inserted to exclude Rally drivers such as Michele Mouton, who anyway is French. I have only considered the exploits of women racing drivers.

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I don't get this growing trend toward considering rallying as distinct from racing. Rallying IS racing. It's racing where if you screw-up, you can end up going into a tree or over a cliff, with a substantial risk of killing or maiming yourself or your co-driver instead of just walking away from a smoking hulk. It's racing in cars that aren't mollycoddled primadonas that can't get over a trolly track without special help and where all the drivers complain if they DO have to drive over a trolly track. It's racing where seat-of-the-pants feel for what the car is doing is required at all times, because the car isn't glued to the course with excessive amounts of downforce.

In other words, Michele Mouton was successful in the kind of racing which requires the most balls and the most driving skill.

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Originally Posted by beachgirl

I would strongly suggest that you never, ever try to tell Michele Mouton she is not a racing driver.

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Beat me to it! :up:

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Originally Posted by D28

I assume the Closed Course portion of the original quote was inserted to exclude Rally drivers such as Michele Mouton, who anyway is French. I have only considered the exploits of women racing drivers.

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What does being French have to do with anything? There are many motor sports fans who consider Mouton one of the most successful females in motor racing - ever. She also ran LeMans and won at Pikes Peak more than once. DP is hardly the first woman RACE driver to win something.

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Originally Posted by beachgirl

I would strongly suggest that you never, ever try to tell Michele Mouton she is not a racing driver.

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OK I would not presume to tell M. Mouton anything. I am aware of her exploits, the World Rally and Pikes Peak victories. She is arguably the greatest woman driver ever. Its more a question of terminology, track vs rally is sometimes used to segregate the classes. I was somewhat puzzled as to why the Press mentioned closed cicuit wins in the first place. I think it likely is to separate Rallying from track racing but I don't really know.

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Originally Posted by DanicaFan

I know she is the best and thats all I have to say about it. :D

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Best what? ICS Driver? You must be kidding. Too bad we couldn't see her go head to head against Legge at Indy.