So stay under the 20+ years of oppression like we have now? That sounds real productive. If there isn’t a problem then don’t fix it, but guys we have a problem!Quote:
Originally Posted by Tomi
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So stay under the 20+ years of oppression like we have now? That sounds real productive. If there isn’t a problem then don’t fix it, but guys we have a problem!Quote:
Originally Posted by Tomi
sad that you have had so long oppression, but it is the rally comission that suggest FIA if they want changes, if they make stupid suggestions they get stupid changes, that wont change with a "independent" comission because the same guys would propably sit in the "independent" comission too, because after national federations would have cut the work with FIA, the same people would still work in the national federations, and the comission is people from national federations.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saabaru
An auto association here in the U.S. (NASA or National Auto Sport Association) got into rally a few years ago and started from nothing; new rallies, new organizers and everything. Now Rally America feels threatened by them and they host the oldest events in the country. Anything is possible, the only thing stopping change is the people who are scared of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tomi
lol, sure yes, better to find a little better examples, if you have nothing its very easy to skip it and start from 0.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saabaru
Do you know how solve the 'problem'?Quote:
Originally Posted by Saabaru
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Originally Posted by Saabaru
You are missing some big parts of history.
NASA was formed in 1991. They didn't start doing anything for rallies until around 2002.
NASA was not founded to run rallies. NASA RallySport was, but, NASA was not.
NASA RallySport was formed out of a dissatisfaction with the SCCA (much like the IRC was formed out of a dissatisfaction with the WRC). NASARS events run very similarly to RallyAmerica events, because organizers are organizers. There are fundamental differences that the alignment with NASA proper requires, some different safety regulations, fairly different classing, and some other structural differences.
The big difference is a perceived difference between organizing philosophies. Arguably, Rally-America is handicapped by having inherritted a national championship based program. NASA as a ground up organization has built themselves as a network of rallies. Come people perceive this as being more focused on the clubmen. The reality is that NASA isn't more or less focused on clubmen, the truth is that they don't have anything else to focus on (like a national championship).
As far as the FIA alignment issue.
The US has for the main part gone on its own for many many years in motorsports organization. Heck, most people into motorsport in the US couldn't even tell you who the FIA member body organization is here in the US. Many overseas governing bodies utilize the FIA for class structure (to promote competition in other countries) but also for validation as a legitimate governing body. Organizing an event in many countries could be all but impossible without the support and approval of the motorsport governing body (least of which might financial or infrastructure support that events rely on).
The reality is that the FIA for most of the world serves the same purpose as groups like the SCCA, NASA, or NASCAR, serve in the US. The FIA is the validation vehicle for many overseas governing bodies and those governing bodies are key to many rallies. Without the FIA those governing bodies might not be able or willing to support their championship events.
Which would be worse? A poorly run WRC, or a WRC with no events?
People talk about the cars being boring but you want to keep the same people who made it this way in the first place and won’t allow change (just wait and see how boring it gets if they inflect S2000 on the WRC).
You talk about the FIA keeping a new promoter on a tight leash, not letting them do anything that might infringe on their precious F1’s glory but don’t want to do anything to change it.
No wonder world rally is on the edge of oblivion….
No, I asked you who would choose the "independent" comission.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saabaru
I know the histroy of NASA and NASARallySport, thanks for varifying my point.Quote:
Originally Posted by L5->R5/CR
Which would be better? A poorly run WRC under the FIAs oversight, or a self promoting self governing WRC that reaps it's own rewards of success.
Well I would think it would be the people putting millions upon millions of dollars/euros/yen into world rally every year.... Ford, Subaru, Citroen, Skoda, Peugeoet, Mitsubishi, Fiat, Opel, etc, etc, etc,Quote:
Originally Posted by Tomi