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Folks I talk to are not too happy with the 2009 announcement. Might as well have given MJ Promotions the middle finger with Cleveland and Houston ignored. Surfers will either be added as a points race in 2009 or there's going to be some interesting tap dancing at KV Racing.
From what Angstadt and Lanigan have said about Houston and Cleveland, it doesn't sound like anyone gave anyone the finger. And it stands to reason that KV Racing would be especially interested in Surfers. Duh.
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Originally Posted by indycool
Well I can't post a link because, unless the rule have changed, links to other forums are not allowed. It's a thread called "Wow....The IRL has lost it's mind". Treason was my word as several post were about a sense of abandonment and anger at what they felt was move away from what they thought they IRL was and should be. And a fair amount of that anger was directed at Mr. George and I was joking that they were going to insert an F in front of his initials, not that they were going to join CW.
The point I tried to bring up is that this is the age old AOW divide. The oval side and road racing side and there are those on each side that will never be happy unless it becomes all ovals or all road/street races. There is always going to be some complaints about the schedule. And it's not really acurate to imply it's only former CC fans that are unhappy with what the schedule looks like.
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Originally Posted by indycool
come on IC...theres some ready to slice there wrists in that thread
denial is not flattering on you
DD....IC...or anyone else....?
IYO is the IRL still 'Ovalcentric'?
Compared to F1? Yes. Compared to GP2? Yes. Compared to Atlantics? Yes. Compared to CCWS the last few years? Yes. Compared to the IRL of 1996? Not as much so. But still at least 50% ovals which 50% more than any other OW series in the world. I'm a happy boy. : )Quote:
Originally Posted by Ken
I think you all have been dancing around a good point here, so let's boil it down a bit.
No one seems to be happy. The Champ Car guys don't think there are enough road/street courses and the IRL guys don't think there are enough ovals. That sounds like there was a pretty good compromise going on in the front office at 16th and G'town to me.
Am I happy, no. I wanted more oval tracks, but like I've said before I can deal with the economic realities of 2008.
I'm a former champcar boy and i have no problems with the ovals. But i would prefere more diversity among the ovals. If we have a 20 race schedule with 10 ovals, i would prefere, 3 superspeedways, 3 intermediate ovals, 2 one mile ovales and 2 ovals shorter than a mile with different banking. That would be ideal.Quote:
Originally Posted by chuck34
And the other 10 races should be 4 road races, 4 street racers and 2 airport races. That would be fun to watch...
Ken,
1. Yes, there seems to be considerable consternation about Nashville not being there. I attended the Nashville race a couple of times and enjoyed myself. Oval people want Phoenix and Michigan, ironically, the same two tracks which had their second races taken away from them by CART in 1989. And I'm sure the IRL would run all three if it and the promoters and sponsors and TV could strike a bargain. That's the "biz" part that hasn't come together.
2. Yes, it's ovalcentric. As long as the Indianapolis 500 is on the schedule, that tips the scales. As Chuck and DD said, they'd prefer more ovals, just like there are some who'd prefer more road courses.
IMO, the whole exercise of the split and all the forums which have cropped up with this strange critter called the Internet has its roots in road racing fans vs. oval fans and vice versa. It's been going on WITHOUT the Internet for 35-40 years, at least. And it'll probably go on for another 35-40.
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Originally Posted by indycool
oh...Ironically it's CARTS fault....of coarse, I mean really...why wouldn't be ...right?