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20th February 2007, 09:04
Eki

Has the US combined forces with al Qaeda against Iran? The Middle East is getting more and more like a soap opera:

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/....ap/index.html

Iran hangs man convicted of Revolutionary Guards attack
POSTED: 7:50 p.m. EST, February 19, 2007

TEHRAN, Iran (AP) -- Iran executed a defendant by hanging after a court convicted him of a bombing last week that killed 11 members of the elite Revolutionary Guards, the official Islamic Republic News Agency reported.

Nasrollah Shanbe Zehi was executed at the site of the attack in Zahedan, capital of Sistan-Baluchestan province in southeastern Iran, the report said. The sentence was carried out a day after a revolutionary court convicted him of the bombing.

A car loaded with explosives blew up Wednesday near a bus carrying members of the elite military corps, killing 11 and wounding 31. Zehi was arrested a few hours after the bombing.

A Sunni militant group which some believe is linked to al Qaeda claimed responsibility. Jundallah, or God's Brigade, has also been blamed for past attacks on Iranian troops.

IRNA quoted an unnamed official as saying on Friday that Zehi confessed that the attacks were part of U.S. plans to provoke ethnic and religious violence in Iran.

The report said Zehi was also convicted of separate offenses including the deaths of four policemen and two civilians and a bank robbery.
21st February 2007, 02:33
Roamy

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eki

This was happening within the Russian army. I think a better analogy than torture would be the rape cases in the US Air Force Academy:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_U....ssault_scandal

At least they aren't Gay !!
21st February 2007, 02:36
Roamy

Quote:

Originally Posted by W8&C

Its exactly this possibility and this habit, that makes me shiver! And its really nothing to be proud of.

That is true. Currently. But how will USA react, when i.e. freshwater resources become short some day in the future? Or if USA runs out of fuel? (you can imagine a lot of similar and perhaps more probable scenarios yourself). I guess you know the answer... and its an answer that´s not going to strenghten my good feelings when thinking of America and his citizens...

the rest of the world will run out of sh!t long before we do.
21st February 2007, 06:15
W8&C

Hi fousto,

maybe you remember JFK´s famous speech:

„...
What kind of peace do I mean? What kind of peace do we seek? Not a Pax Americana enforced on the world by American weapons of war.
...
not merely peace for Americans but peace for all men and women--not merely peace in our time but peace for all time.
...
For, in the final analysis, our most basic common link is that we all inhabit this small planet. We all breathe the same air. We all cherish our children's future. And we are all mortal.“

And now look at your own statement:

Quote:

the rest of the world will run out of sh!t long before we do.

or listen to the tirades of George W. Bush instead. And keep in mind that your adored ideal, the Nation of Freedom and Justice, is ignoring civil laws and human rights i.e. by eavesdropping your own citizens, kidnapping people and sending them to prison without trial. Looks quite like a "vodka-breathe-behavior", doesn´t it?

All in all, as an American I´d be at least concerned and maybe sometimes even ashamed, that the current image of my country is heavily suffering in the eyes of a huge crowd of people and a steadily growing part of the world starts to dislike this nation...
21st February 2007, 06:20
EuroTroll

Well posted, W8&C. :up:
21st February 2007, 06:45
Roamy

Quote:

Originally Posted by W8&C

Hi fousto,

maybe you remember JFK´s famous speech:

„...
What kind of peace do I mean? What kind of peace do we seek? Not a Pax Americana enforced on the world by American weapons of war.
...
not merely peace for Americans but peace for all men and women--not merely peace in our time but peace for all time.
...
For, in the final analysis, our most basic common link is that we all inhabit this small planet. We all breathe the same air. We all cherish our children's future. And we are all mortal.“

And now look at your own statement :o r listen to the tirades of George W. Bush instead. And keep in mind that your adored ideal, the Nation of Freedom and Justice, is ignoring civil laws and human rights i.e. by eavesdropping your own citizens, kidnapping people and sending them to prison without trial. Looks quite like a "vodka-breathe-behavior", doesn´t it?

All in all, as an American I´d be at least concerned and maybe sometimes even ashamed, that the current image of my country is heavily suffering in the eyes of a huge crowd of people and a steadily growing part of the world starts to dislike this nation...

In the time of JFK's famous speech we were not faced with the enemy we have today. As I have said many times - I am content to finish our job in Iraq - Come straight home - and cut out foreign aid. I don't know what is so difficult here. Bring all the weapons home and mind our own business. we don't need missiles in Europe. Cut the aid, build ethanol plants and mass transit. I don't subscribe to the theory of "Give me your Money and I will be your friend when it suits me" If you are worried about your image then get out of the spotlight. Let the rest of the world carry this backpack for a while and see how they do.
21st February 2007, 15:08
Eki

Quote:

Originally Posted by W8&C

maybe you remember JFK´s famous speech:

„...
What kind of peace do I mean? What kind of peace do we seek? Not a Pax Americana enforced on the world by American weapons of war.
...
not merely peace for Americans but peace for all men and women--not merely peace in our time but peace for all time.
...
For, in the final analysis, our most basic common link is that we all inhabit this small planet. We all breathe the same air. We all cherish our children's future. And we are all mortal.“

No wonder he got shot then. There was a man about 2000 years ago who said something similar and was nailed to a tree.
21st February 2007, 18:14
W8&C

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eki

No wonder he got shot then. There was a man about 2000 years ago who said something similar and was nailed to a tree.

OT
Well I think its too far fetched to compare JFK with the nailed one, but although I was a kid in the early sixties I realized that JFK was something special.

And by the way: in my last posting perhaps it might sound as I´m an American. If that´s the case then sorry for that, I´m European and English isn´t my native language as everyone can easily see.
OT
21st February 2007, 18:35
Mark in Oshawa

Eki, he got shot because someone he made promises to didn't like what he was doing.

He was NOT shot however for his noble words. The strange part is, his words and the goals of the US now really are not diametrically opposed. Iraq and Saddam Hussein were the whipping boys of the left for their human rights abuses all throughout the 70's and 80's until Saddam stood up to the US. Then all the sudden, many of you made Bush the enemy....which says to me you really don't care about those people in Iraq. Well, the last time I looked, the reason Americans were going home in bags in Iraq was to try to give the Maliki government a chance to run a peaceful nation. How is THAT wrong? Ah yes, it is wrong because they are Americans, and they had no business getting rid of a man who was killing 20000 of his own people a year to hang onto power. Terrible man that Bush, getting rid of a man everyone saw as a stain on the human race....
21st February 2007, 20:33
Eki

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark in Oshawa

Well, the last time I looked, the reason Americans were going home in bags in Iraq was to try to give the Maliki government a chance to run a peaceful nation.

So it wasn't the WMDs and the 9/11 attacks? Yep, and the real reason Stalin invaded Finland in 1939 was to liberate the Finnish working class from its oppressive capitalistic and fascistic leaders as he said it was. You can always find some "noble" cause to hide your true intentions. There were/are people in other parts of the world that were worse off than the Iraqis under Saddam, why didn't Bush do something for them instead? In Saddam's Iraq the life expectancy at birth was about 70 years, despite the sanctions, in some parts of Africa it's less than 40 years. Also according to the UN, about 35,000 Iraqis a year are now dying because of the current violence. That's worse than the 20,000 under Saddam. It's just not right to make a bad situation worse no matter how "nobel" your intentions are, especially to people in other countries who didn't even have the right to vote for you and you have no legal power over.

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