Rallye Waldviertel 2012: My pictures can be found here:
http://www.ir7.at/content/fotos_orm_...ertel_2012.php
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Rallye Waldviertel 2012: My pictures can be found here:
http://www.ir7.at/content/fotos_orm_...ertel_2012.php
http://www.ir7.at/w4p1.jpghttp://www.ir7.at/w4p2.jpghttp://www.ir7.at/w4p3.jpg
Lappi finished 7th in Rallye Sierra Morena which was dominated by GT cars (Fuster won ahead of Vallejo and Pons). Hevia crashed.
And here are online results for the rally: Masrallye - Rallyes Tiempos en directo - Rallyes Tiempos on lineQuote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
Rallye Waldviertel 2012 - 14 minutes video:
https://vimeo.com/52336848
A few weeks ago was Saaremaa rally. I haven’t written anything for the conclusion yet. So, here it is.
Top positions were:
1. A. Lukyanuk/ A. Arnautov Mitsu Evo 10 (R4) 57:53.8
2. K. Koita/A.Ots Mitsu Evo 9 (N4) +10.8
3. K. Kruuda/K. Järveoja Skoda Fabia S2000 (R4) +48.5
4. R. Aus/S.Koskinen Mitsu Evo 9 (N4) +55.2
5. T.Kõrge/E.Prinst Mitsu Evo 9 (N4) +1:02.0
6. E.Kaur/E.Lepiskon Subaru Impreza (N4) +1:07.1
Final results can be found here:
RALLI » Võistlused » Lõpptulemus
It was the first win for A.Lukyanuk (they were DSQ in Viru rally due to missing catalyst in exhaust system and Tallinn Rally was not part of Estonian Rally Championship). He lost some time on the city stage on the first day (small spin) but it gave much better startposition for the second day.
R. Aus became Estonian group N champion and also Estonian overall champion. T.Kõrge had exactly the same points but R. Aus won due to better final positions
T. Kõrge lost his title hopes due to puncture not much before the end of rally.
Here is the picture: http://static2.fotoalbum.ee/fotoalbu...376794f7eb.jpg
He had a big moment on the first day as well. Wallwas too close:
http://static2.fotoalbum.ee/fotoalbu...31913e4a3f.jpg
Kruuda lost the rally on the final stage when he hit a tree and nearly lost one wheel.
You can see it and much more from the following video:
Saaremaa Rally-2012 - YouTube
Other title contenders:
J. Vorobjovs had engine issues and finally retired
S. Plangi had puncture and later some puncture related tech issues
Finally, it was the last rally for multiple Estonian Champion Margus Murakas. He retired due to the turbo failure:
Those who speak fluent Russian should watch the following video: RALLY SAAREMAA - 2012 - YouTube
Very good footages, many moments, some crashes and nice commentary.
Condroz Rally entry list:
http://www.condrozrally.be/documents...st_2012_V2.pdf
I will be in Belgium from the 24th of November for a week. Are there any motorsport events during that period
Onboard of Beppo Harrach from Waldviertel with speed and rpm :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHJMrYAE7H4
I think that video is speeded up severely. Plus Im not sure speed info is correct.
I like this: Porsche, Porsche, Porsche....and this was rally, no circuit racing. Go, Porsche....legends!Quote:
Originally Posted by Hartusvuori
My pics from Waldviertel Rallye on Rallyesportfotos
reg. Jörg
http://rallyelee.ra.piranho.de/12wv97.jpg
http://rallyelee.ra.piranho.de/12wv32.jpg
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You simply can't beat the sound of a Flat-6 Porsche...... a modern turbocharged Rallycar sounds pathetic after them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ucci
I dont like this because "Porsche, Porsche, Porsche" and changes regulations because of them killed rallysport in Spain. That is why we will not have in close future new Carlos Sainz or Dani Sordo...Quote:
Originally Posted by Ucci
The Belgian rally-season will be pretty much over I'm afraid. On Sunday the 25th there's a "shortrally"in Saint-Roch, where they drive 4x 2 stages, but it's just an amateur event, I would not really recommend going there but it still can be fun. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Leon
That's true but all those top Porsches in Spain are circuit supercup cars with traction control etc. Far from stock GT3 car...Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyRAC
That speed is correct, believe me ... :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by Francis44
About GT cars, they're nice to see! Speaking about Belgian GT cars: once developed they are relatively cheap in maintenance-costs, of course the cost of development can be huge (thinking about Van Woensel his 350Z and 370Z for example). I remember Guy Colsoul (Colsoul Rallysport, specialist of Mitsubishi Lancer's, since the first ones already) complaining that RACB allowed teams to develop their own "modern Group B car". I think GT cars are good for the popularity of the sport in a national competition, but they should be kept slower than the top class in that national championship (WRC or S2000).
Here I can't agree with you-Porsche is simply not responsible or even guilty for Spain not to have any new D.Sordo or even driver like ''El Matador'' C.Sainz....You should look the reason(s) in a destroyed economical situation in Spain, it is the same situation in at least half EU countries, no $$$$, no investments in future rally stars......OK, enough of this sad story.....Quote:
Originally Posted by PLuto
Secondly, to maintain 911 GT3 Cupis far from costs of ownership of S2000. You can buy few years 911 GT3 Cup for 70-80.000 eur, than transfer it for rally, buy few sets of tyres and rims, and you are already on a winning course. The car is very reliable and though, the engine itself is bulletproof and belive me, much more attractive for spectating than WRC, not to mention S2000 or even N4...
But, there is one big barrier: normal rally drivers do not have enough big testicles to drive this beast on the limit. You are in constant contact with top drivers-ask them if they are enough brave?? All what can they do, is yust complaining & looking for consolation in comparing horspower number against their cars...but in the same time they forget the weight balance, traction in wet or even mud, the design of the car, which was never intend for rally...
Here I can't agree with you-Porsche is simply responsible for situation in Spain. Biggest problem is that they allowed supercup porsches to start in rally and allowed them to put lot of "additional things" into the car (like traction control etc). Due to this situation, it was almost no possible to beat the top cars, which was very fast with also average driver. Thats why they started to allowing more upgrades for other cars (bigger restrictor in N4, lower weight in S2000), everything was more expensive and result not so good. And most of this cars was not able to start abroad as in fact they were absolutely out of international homologation. Lot of manufacturers was not happy with this situation and finished with their support of spanish rallysport...Quote:
Originally Posted by Ucci
You won't convince me: the Spain carmarket collapsed in resent years, the importers simply do not have any extra mony to pay for the expenses of serious engagement in Spanish chaimpionship, bigger restriction for N4 cars is already valid at least five years and did not bring anything since the S2000 were still faster.Quote:
Originally Posted by PLuto
And by the way: Valejo, Fuster and Pons are no average drivers.....this is almost insult for them. They are known for their successes before Porsche times.....
But all of them found, that they are absolutely without chance against Porsche with different car. And all of them in era with another car (mostly S2000) had some support from local dealers and other sponsors...Quote:
Originally Posted by Ucci
I was in Spain few times during last 9 years, so this is my view of their situation. But, maybe somebody from Spain on this forum can post his point of view?
1600cc more than a s2000-N4-R4 ,circuit slicks vs rally tyres, 295mm vs 235 mm tyres,100-130 bhp more than a s2000-n4-r4 car,and a flat curve of torque for double-triple rpms band than everything else car
it is just a joke to compete against s2000 r4 n4 cars.
100% agree with you! S2000 is a pure rally car, 911 on the other hand was never intend for rally. With all the engine weight behind rear axle compare to computer designed S2000 weight balanced chassis it is a nightmare in handling against modern S2000.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
I have a felleing that you haven't drive in a GT3 one meter. It is so fuc....ing nervous car on the limit....a real widowmaker. The worst nightmare is 911 GT3 on the wet, the car has a great love for aquaplaning.....I was so lucky to try it....Who cares for horsepower if you are all the time sideways, fighting to stay on the road. This are no fairy tales....
thanks for your answerQuote:
Originally Posted by tommeke_B
At Vizzola only some hundrets of laps alone, or as a passenger with Bambini.Just 3-4 different 911s from 911s to gt3 rs, turbo.i ve drive plenty ones at road too,but i prefer my faster Mitsubishi evolution at every road wet or dry,any day of year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ucci
911s yes they cant use their advantage at wet,thats why they beaten from heavier less powerfull cars.But in dry conditions with their slicks tyre(more than 1sec/km faster from rally tyres at SAME DIMENSION) with some 70-80mm wider tyre is different story even with the sh@#$ weight distribution.Thats why they are faster at dry.
They just use their powerfull engine at small medium long straights.
For me this is a cheat,not rally.
Install a restrictor so the engine output is about 280-300 bhp and you will understant what i mean even with 300mm slick tyres..
The talk was about supercup cars with TC not ordinary GT3. Those are NOT on top of Spanish championship...Quote:
Originally Posted by Ucci
Anyway think about it this way... International homologation must mean the car is useful internationally. Can You imagine having Spanish cars in for example IRC Barum rally? Something with S2000 weight, almost no suspension travel, rear engine with some 450-470 Hp, wide circuit slicks and shortest gearbox giving top speed 246 km/h? I bet someone without brain can reach such speeds with supercup car on almost every stage there, mostly on bumpy dirty asphalt just a bit wider than the car with trees all around. I fear it would really become a widow maker than.
Last round of Slovak championship - Rally Bratislava is canceled (again)...
Why??Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
In The Netherlands they limited top speed of GT cars to 215 kph and checked it with speed guns during the rallies (as far as I remember they did in 2008), not a bad solution regarding safety. Crashing at 250kph is a big difference from crashing at 190 kph...
Like usually, money and lack of organisation :-)
Would love to see this car on rally roads: http://m.autoblog.com/2012/11/01/pos...g-on-the-ring/ should be in a light GT class, although with turbo I doubt we will see it.
Agree that speed of all rally cars should be limited, 180k for example.
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BRZ has four seats, it can be made to other classes too.
There are rumours about development of Subaru BRZ R5, but to be honest I can´t imagine BRZ with gravel suspension...on other hand on tarmac it would be most beautiful R5 and very different from all those "shopping bags for woman" like P208, Fiesta or Fabia III.
This could be the new Fabia to work on the R5 2013 model
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Could you imagine a Stratos with gravel setup? :D
Why the hell have you removed the belgian rallies thread ??? :mad:
Anyway, Condroz has started Chronomtrage - Races Information Services ;)
Also last round of the Dutch championship this weekend, the Euregio Rally.
Not so great entry list, but the return of Dennis Kuipers after his injury! He wil drive a S14 WRC, his father René a Fiesta WRC.
Also Peter van Merksteijn will be in a C4 WRC for only his 2nd Dutch event this year after Hellendoorn.
A lot of the frontrunners elected not to start this weekend since the championship is already decided. Ten Brinke, Swaanen, Bob- and Bert de Jong (Condroz), Schilt, Van Loon are all missing.
Yes, I've been looking for the Belgian news thread. What happened to it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom206wrc