He thought about fight infront of Provera when Panizzi did ilegal recce with bike. After incident at the end of that season Delacour had to leave.
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He thought about fight infront of Provera when Panizzi did ilegal recce with bike. After incident at the end of that season Delacour had to leave.
After this year´s Finland I became a bit of a fan of Loeb, but if now after all these titles he needs to have a guarantee in writing about being the absolute number 1. in the team, and maybe pushing Ogier out of the team all together, that would be sad. I wish he would change team and show that he can do it in a totally different non-French enviroment.
If this is true it is sad, Loeb allegedly blocked Petter from getting ANY Citroen for a while after Subaru quit, then he got the ancient Xsara,and spent until Spain 09 to get another old C4, (rumours said that Loeb did his best to block this deal) then he had Sordo as his loyal lapdog supporting him. In the middle of last year Loeb went public and suggested it would be better if Ogier went to Ford, now for the first time Loeb has a real challenge in Ogier he wants to remove the competition. If Ogier is forced to Ford or Mini, and Loeb stays another year he picks up yet another championship. As Miika said, I had total respect for Loeb after his amazing Finland drive, now it seems its back to this. I bet Sordo is checking the terms of his Mini contract to see if he can go back to be Loeb's number 2 in Citroen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Miika
On a positive it makes Petter at VW for likely. I hope Ogier's career wont be shafted by this.......
you have any proof of what you are saying ??? or just say whatever comes to your head ???Quote:
Originally Posted by MJW
Really amazing stuff, now why would Loeb had wanted to block Petter?Quote:
Originally Posted by MJW
Bull****.
'Cos hes frightened of competition.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tomi
If he had done a kankunnen and left for other manufacturers, and still won, then I'd have a whole lot more respect for him.
And the facts are, not many people want to watch a kind of motorsport where the same thing happens over and over again. The same thing happened in F1 a few years ago with schumacher, the F1 fans call these years "the dark ages" :-)
I'm absolutely sure the sport will be a whole lot more popular if he retires, things will look up. After all, folk might aswel watch the 2004 season as oppossed to this season, nothing much has changed since then. Yawn.
No offence but respect of the unlearned isn't worth anything, other than '86 when he went from Peugeot to Lancia when Peugeot were quiting the sport did Kankunen leave a team that had a a decent car?Quote:
Originally Posted by tfp
What kind of competiton would solberg bring ? the guy hasn't won an event since 1967...
and why would Loeb change teams ?? Drivers usually change teams when something goes wrong or have financial differences, NONE changes teams to "prove" things....do you have any real examples of a driver changing teams to prove his worth to 12 year old boys/girls ?? Kankunnen changed teams when lancia left and then when toyota left...same goes for Gronholm, Makinen ects...
this forum needs an age filter...
The reason why forums exist's is to talk about our hobbies or whatever.If you dont like to talk make a blog where you can publish your opinions-announcements.If this forum had a right behaviοur filtrer we couldnt read you.Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
it does have one.... its called ignore
If Seb gets his extra motivation to continue his career by signing a no-competition-inside-the-team deal with the same old team, alrighty then. Why leave to a team where you´d have to interact with a different language, plus the food would be worse there. A terrible thought.
I remember watching the shakedown of Rally NZ in 2002 with an experienced local co-driver. We were at the roadside and watched Loeb drive passed. The old guy said he would win "absolutley everything" I doubted him then but since 2003 I have been eating my words. I can only hope that when he does choose to leave the sport, whoever owns the WRC then limits the amount of time Loeb's legacy gets in the media to tries to reboot the series as there is no way that any of the current field could ever come close to what he has done.
I've not been a fan of Loeb. But I became one during Finland. The achievement of 8 consecutive titles actually tells us more about the opposition than it does about Loeb however the win in Finland is all about Loeb. Winning such a 'specialist event', from the front, in a team that was reportedly working against him, is the stuff of folk heroes.
In any sport or profession, when you are the best, you are entitled to such recognition and nowhere moreso than within the team you have assisted to greatness.
Ogier might be an exciting prospect but, in that team, he is still the apprentice and as long as Loeb remains the most prolific winner he is entitled to #1 status.
Calls for him to retire or go elsewhere to prove his greatness are churlish nonsense and deserving of every admonishing response NOT can muster.
If he is so much afraid of competition, how come would he have earlier accepted Grönholm as team mate in the Kronos team? Get down to the earth guys, after all drivers dont decide much in the team.Quote:
Originally Posted by tfp
and if he is afraid of competition he would not agree to join no.1 in citroen with ogier this year. he knew already what ogier was capable off already from last year. and remember ogier has the above hand in every round so far, loeb is cleaning the road and he can play easily tactics. but lets see whats gonna happen in the tarmac rallies. also i am curious to see how well ogier can lead from the lead opening the stages and have such a lot of pressure from behind as loeb had in finland. so i dont think it's time for citroen to favour ogier over loeb, the have more to loose than gain, so they will give loeb whatever he needs to stay
Loeb isnt afraid of competition. All respects to him.
What says he has to compete at all next year?
I think Citroen keep him in the family as a Public Relations guy and maybe a mentor of coming drivers in the Citroen family. Beside that he might give FIA som extra help to popularise the WRC even more, when the competition gets hotter after him leaving the steering wheel.
Ogier stays as no1 driver and Petter will be no1 in VW. Never will Loeb go to VW.
Remember where you read this first.
If he wan't frightened, why did he tell the press that "Ogier should move to Ford" ?
I feel that Loeb's domination has scared away many car companies. More than anything else Subaru's demise was hastened by the fact Loeb kept them off the podium's top step. On a personal note, I don't hate Loeb and I admire his skills but I feel his sucess has come at a great price for the sport I love.
HE is french , he is afraid of everything.
:laugh: Thats a bit below the belt!Quote:
Originally Posted by logic
+1 :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Plan9
I think the PSA's massive budget has something to do with it aswel, mind you, the manufacturers probably couldnt keep up with ford in the hospitality department, with that 5 star hotel artic of theirs :rolleyes:
i read these posts and laugh at some, others i just shake my head in disbelief, but to suggest that Loeb should leave the best team/the sport, because he is too good ,defies logic or understanding.
i know we all have our favourite drivers/teams but to need them to have to have Loeb retire/leave to be able to win, seems to me to be pretty hollow victory.
we should rename the world championship as DL (during Loeb) and AL(after Loeb) so you dont get confused as to which part of history, your driver/ team finally won.
i myself would rather my favourite driver/team beat Loeb fair and square,and not have to wait till he goes, but that might just be impossible.
cheers
Because the fight would have been much more interesting with them in a different team. He knew Ogier is he main rival in term of speed. Having the 2 in a different team will have make the teams fight each other rather than having the fight within one team, which has historically never been a good thing for the team.Quote:
Originally Posted by tfp
PS: "Logic" are you under 10 year old? your parents should not let you unsupervised on the internet.
This may sound bit silly to some of us here, but the rumour I've heard tells that Citroen has offered 8 million €, while VW has offered contract for 16,5 million €. Maybe this could be the case? Remind you that this is some silly rumour that I've heard may not be true.
no..too much money for a contract at a rally team...maybe the total sum including the sponsors ects reaches that but i do not think so.
It is a tough nut for Citroen to crack since letting either one of the Sebs go will propably bite them in the ass at some point, if VW´s potential is up to the level of their speculated resources, they will be a big player in the series. And more so with the likes of the two Frenchmen.
VW contract is for at least two years, because no competitipn next year, remember?
I've only heard figures, not terms - so I can not comment on this. But your assumption sounds logical.Quote:
Originally Posted by mm1
And as N.O.T. has stated, that in given current climate these numbers sound a bit unreal to me as well.
I'm sure VW had offered 10+ million sum, maybe later it got even to 16 million. In any case it is not that unreal as You think.Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
10 million for 2 years yes its realistic...the current payscale of Loeb is around 4-4.5 per year at citroen.
I think VW will do a big mistake to sign Loeb... 1 year of inactivity is a lot when you compete at the highest level.
Its going to be a very smart move and a perfect retirement plan from a financial standpoint for Loeb though.
My guess remains... 1 more year at citroen or old peoples home.
I redict also that he stays at Citroen, although I hope he goes to VW, just to spice up things a bit. If VW would compete allready next year, I think he would go. On the other hand, as N.O.T. says, he would be more valuable for VW as a driver (not a developer), if he goes to VW after next year. Why not have the 10th title with a different manufacturer :) ?
Meanwhile, again budget troubles for Ostberg... Germany may be the last event of his season :(
Google PYeklada
Another talented driver scraping round for money.......Quote:
Originally Posted by focus206
as long as Mr wilson has his son in the team getting ridiculed everything is fine....Quote:
Originally Posted by focus206
They have full garage of works subarus. if they sell it, drive is here.
Like the most privateers.
Owned!Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
The S9 is sold and the S10's are sold i believe and the two S12's were out for sale last winter, not sure if they are sold.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barreis
"Loeb: I don’t want to end up like Schumi..."Quote:
Originally Posted by Miika