Toyota announces WRC plans

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11th July 2016, 15:43
N.O.T

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Originally Posted by jacko

And as often you have mostly got it wrong. So my advice (still after all these years) is please do some good homework in the future before you post your crap empty comments..

do not be hasty kid... patience is a virtue, the fun only has begun.
11th July 2016, 17:50
AndyRAC

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Originally Posted by Simmi

The proof will be in the stage times for sure.

It does remind me a bit of the Nissan LMP1 situation that happened recently. You started to get rumblings from inside the project that things weren't going well and they couldn't attract drivers. There's no smoke without fire as they say. But I don't subscribe to the theory that there are people in the sport that want to see Toyota fail. Who does that really benefit? Despite people loving bad news, surely the better storylines are if they beat VW/Ogier.

What Nissan did have that Toyota don't was PR and social media across the programme. Really the only information we find out is when Tommi picks up the phone to a journalist or gets interviewed at a rally. It continues to be a massive missed opportunity and people fill the space with rumours. That said, Nissan made such a big noise about their Le Mans programme that when it did tank it added up to massive humiliation. Toyota have made no noise about their WRC programme.

Interesting you use that example. Darren Cox got plenty of air time promoting the programme - and then plenty of grief following the debacle.
Toyota have a PR department - so why isn't it being used? The WEC programme is fairly open for the press, and RLM have had special programmes about Cologne. Yet the WRC programme seems to be the complete opposite. Maybe it just reflects Tommi, who wasn't known to offer 'sound bites' and interesting interviews.
11th July 2016, 18:03
Rallyper

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Originally Posted by Barreis

What tabloids?! There're no more tabloids about rally. Almost amateur sport... :P

No, you misunderstood. We all, well, those who don´t want TM to suceed, writes the stuff that suits the mission.
11th July 2016, 18:13
Rallyper

MAybe the best thing is to keep quiet until all stuff is settled. testing more important than media. However handling your employies oc also most important.
11th July 2016, 18:19
J4MIE

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Originally Posted by rallyfiend

I can't imagine living / moving to the middle of rural Finland is all that fantastic...

Have you been to the beautiful Finnish countryside?

Not all of us want to work in a city to be near bars or nightclubs.
11th July 2016, 18:35
Mariusz

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Originally Posted by N.O.T

agree, it also makes the whole experience far better, in the end we can see who was right and who not and who flopped and who did not.

You really need to tell us your definition of flop, because without it we'll never know if you were right.
11th July 2016, 19:23
Jack4688`

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Originally Posted by Barreis

What tabloids?! There're no more tabloids about rally. Almost amateur sport... :P

Autosport and Motorsport News? Anything penned by David Evans is just pure sensationalism
11th July 2016, 19:28
Simmi

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Originally Posted by AndyRAC

Interesting you use that example. Darren Cox got plenty of air time promoting the programme - and then plenty of grief following the debacle.
Toyota have a PR department - so why isn't it being used? The WEC programme is fairly open for the press, and RLM have had special programmes about Cologne. Yet the WRC programme seems to be the complete opposite. Maybe it just reflects Tommi, who wasn't known to offer 'sound bites' and interesting interviews.

I think this is at the core of most people's issues/reservations about the team. In that it doesn't 'feel' like a manufacturer effort in how it's been created, run and presented. And in a lot of ways it feels remote and separate from the Toyota factory.

But I agree with others that you can't write anything off until we see the car run competitively.
11th July 2016, 20:04
Jack4688`

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Originally Posted by AndyRAC

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Originally Posted by Simmi

...Nissan made such a big noise about their Le Mans programme that when it did tank it added up to massive humiliation...

Darren Cox got plenty of air time promoting the programme - and then plenty of grief following the debacle.

I think the humiliation started when the programme was announced - Darren Cox's words were excruciating to read, I wish I could find the article again on any motorsport news outlet. Not only were his choice of words embarrassing but you knew it would be failure unless they won in 2016 (or was it 2015?), because that's the target he bloody well set!

No such claims from Toyota (correct me if I am wrong but I read nothing in the article on autosport when Akio Toyoda made it official) so as far as I see it, failure will be if they do not achieve all they have claimed thus far: to compete in WRC from 2017
11th July 2016, 20:22
Barreis

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Originally Posted by Rallyper

No, you misunderstood. We all, well, those who don´t want TM to suceed, writes the stuff that suits the mission.

I don't know anyone here that doesn't want toyota to succeed. These're comments about how TM operates. More different winners, better for sport...

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