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No way are 2017 cars like Group B... its a totally different era.
Group B were 200 specialised, superlight, often mid-engined supercars with massive power over anything before them.
2017 are upgraded WRC's we have been watching for years.
Best thing about them and best GpB comparison is their sound.
In love with that Fiesta ��
I just hope Mr Ogier is impressed ! ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre Oliveira
Each entitled to his own opinion :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
If you compare the Group 4 Audi quattro to the first Group B Audi quattro (the long one), and then that to the first S1, etc - you will see that everything did not happen over night in Group B.
And in the Lancia Stratos and Alpine 110 we earlier had cars that raised the bar with a great amaount when it comes to speed and exotica.
But off course, the most special Group B cars where very exotic - no doubt about it. But this is not my point.
1 sec pr km in the faster sections is a HUGE increase in speed on already crazy fast cars. These cars will be something REALLY special, and in speed they will have an immense impact.
So this - in my opinion - is the moder equivalent to the Group B, and will be the start of a very exiting era in the WRC.
I would almost like to call the new cars WRC+ :)
This is going to be VERY, VERY special indeed, and it will be talked about for many years to come :)
I tend to agree Lunde.
Ah okay, thanks for that. It's not really worth doing then for what would be relatively little gain.Quote:
Originally Posted by br21
nice gallery of Fiesta https://www.flickr.com/photos/mes_pi...7676185846586/
PlanetMarcus says Mads Ostberg is testing the 2017 Fiesta today.
Rumour of Adapta could be true
C3 Testing in Wales now
Looking at the speed of these new cars, specially M-Sport's since they seem to be only ones currently running aero packs close to the ones that they are going to use next year.
Makes me wonder if this is really the right way to take WRC.
Fans including me wanted a cars to be louder, have a more power (which they did) and more spectacular driving wise but I think they took a massive U-turn when they wanted to add DTM aero kits onto them, now the cars look like that they are getting ready for Pikes Peak or something.
Also makes me wonder that is it even possible to drive stages like Ouninpohja etc where the average speeds were almost too fast already this year.
I'm just hoping that this doesn't end the way it did in 1986 or even worse, car crashing into spectators.
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Originally Posted by GigiGalliNo1
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CwvLqa7XAAEe2TC.jpg
WRC needs a revamp and having cars with a ‘wow factor’ is the easiest way to get it. ’17 cars are much safer than Gr.B’s, still the FIA and all rally organizers shouldn’t take the speed increase lightly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Essaj
Zero tolerance on spectators behavior, a sort of super license for ’17 cars drivers and a sensible choice of stage routes seems vital to make sure ’86 won’t happen again.
Only thing I fear is faster cars are easier to crash. No matter how safe they are made. I just hope we don't see any extra cars wrapped around trees etc.
Saying that though I cant wait for 2017. These new cars have done it for me. Not only that, they appear to be a lot more side ways in the videos that are posted. Think we may have speed, and spectacular action next year.
Cant Wait
Steve
With less aero the cars would be likely both more spectacular and safer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rally Power
That's completely unrealistic. At least half of the calendar composes of events with very free spectator control (if any). That applies even to many European events.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rally Power
Is that some new front aero on the C3 ?Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
Edit: No, checked the last C3 Test car and the aero was on that...
the 2 fins at bumper corner like fiesta?
This is the previous car.. Test #8.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
Neuville testing 2017 car small clip
https://www.facebook.com/kuxo.gonzal...9904715166085/
Mads testing 2017 fiesta
https://twitter.com/Traxx_WiF/media
and a small clip with Meeke testing c3 at Wales
https://twitter.com/stevie_mcphee
Well, that won't be a risk in Ouninpohja or elsewhere in Finland. The spectator areas are far enough from the road already now, and I guess even further next year. So at least there won't be a Joaquim Santos style accident...Quote:
Originally Posted by Essaj
What I don't like in these new regulations is trying to get rid of WRC car driving privateers. Because I'd prefer watching gentleman drivers in WRCs to watching them in R5s.
Tänak was also testing today https://twitter.com/ThibaultPascal/s...39944816955392
@MM WRC - It's proposed that Privateers will be able to drive 2016 WRC's.
Tänak today https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HB3-RGXPAoY
Mads and Tänak https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJP9aPRr1Kc
Yeah I agree that the spectator issue is not that big in Finland, but there is super fast stages in other countries aswell where the spectator safety is pretty poor.Quote:
Originally Posted by MM WRC
And yes, privateers should be able to compete with the top cars.
Personally I wouldnt mind if R5's would be the top class. That way best national drivers could show their speed better in their home rallies, Also young talent would have way easier way to get to the paycheck when there wouldn't be a big gap (massive gap from 2017 on) between their cars vs the small amout of WRC cars there is available at the moment. Yes I understand that people want the WRC class to be something special and I kinda agree with that, but the way they are currently doing it is stupid imo.
I Don't know how we are going to get new drivers to show their true potential when winning rallies or even championships with R5 has almost no meaning.
Simone Vazzano @SVrally 4m4 minutes ago
#WRC @MadsOstberg tests in the night the #Ford Fiesta RS Wrc 2017 @MSportLtd.
https://twitter.com/SVrally/status/796069517571096576
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cww08FOXgAAEg1a.jpg
Tänak https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-1f-_Z58GE
nice fast places
dont listen it with your headphones, you will be deaf
wow^
Honestly, do you think it's safe to put one of these in Bertelli’s hands? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-1f-_Z58GEQuote:
Originally Posted by Essaj
aannndd another one, Mads and Tänak https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IxYEHI1qqM
of course, bertelli would drive it a lot slower.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rally Power
in the end its the driver who has his foot on the throttle. they will only drive it as fast as they think is possible.
No, and you should start reading my posts as a whole. Im not sure if it's safe to put those machines to anyones hand when they are pushing to the limit and trying to win rallies. Rally cars are going to be too fast next season.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rally Power
Hopefully next season dosen't end to a huge accident which might kill a whole sport. I don't see any manufacturer to stay in WRC if they have to start with a new regulations once again.
Wondering if with these new cars and high aero-dependency we'll see less cutting. Theoretically it might be better to stay on the road.Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
Dosen't matter whose driving but accidents happen, and from those speeds... It's going to be ugly.Quote:
Originally Posted by denkimi
Aren't you being a drama queen? Tragic rally accidents can happen even with a Fiat 500.Quote:
Originally Posted by Essaj
Again, the risk increase is manageable if spectator control, driver eligibility and route selection standards get a proper attention, as I believe they’ll get.
Seems that even on tarmac the new cars slide even with the extra downforce. On both gravel and tarmac it's not a "throw the car sideways" type of driving but there's more powersliding on the exit. I guess the extra power plays a role in that.
Let's be honest, it'll maybe be the best car, but the C3 is really ugly...
The Fiesta looks way better!