some improved speed,and better exit from corners imho at this video
https://youtu.be/mNZeBB8qqGo
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some improved speed,and better exit from corners imho at this video
https://youtu.be/mNZeBB8qqGo
day 2 Hanninen Spain
https://youtu.be/nWHs-fnaeaM
Regarding the earlier discussion about the more developed front aero on the 2017 Fiesta WRC... this quote from Autosport today:Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
"Wilson's 2017 Fiesta has already gained credit from industry insiders."
"Drivers such as Mattias Ekstrom - a man who has lived and worked in the high downforce DTM world for the last 16 years - called Cumbria to heap praise on Wilson's work and apparent aero expertise."
Autosport are automatic grovelling fans of anything British aren't they though? Probably just published an M-sport press release. ;)
(tongue in cheek but they do have a bit of bias there)
eWRC-results @eWRCresults ˇ 1m1 minute ago
Daniel Ellena show us @MSportLtd Fiesta RS WRC 2017 testing to @ACM_Media @rallyemontecarl @OfficialWRC
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CwgfHsyW8AA1nC6.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CwgfHswXEAAP90M.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CwgfHs_WEAAdtxC.jpg
Ogier driving? :p
cant see the video on link
The biggest difference at the front seems to be the diveplanes (below the headlights). As far as I know that's an important element to provide a fair amount of downforce for not so much extra drag. DTM and WEC cars have those elements but I haven't seen them on the other '17 cars yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
Traxx - WR is Free @Traxx_WiF ˇ
Evans with 2017 fiesta
@MSportLtd & @ElfynEvans testing the Fiesta #WRC 2017 in high altitude and Monte conditions #snow #ice #wrc2017 #RBDriver
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CwhKrtkXgAATEzR.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CwhKtdGW8AQ8-5d.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CwhKvyCXgAAur0_.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CwhKw7BW8AAWGpD.jpg
Interesting, and not with Dmacks?
Very interesting. Has to be good news for Elfyn. I guess getting his head around a 2017 car is more important than what tyres he is on for the moment.
Noone dared to do a small climb to another turn?
more photos with fiesta 2017 at snow
https://www.facebook.com/gsbrallymot...=page_internal
Finally some HQ multimedia http://www.rallye-sport.fr/fiesta-2017-altitude/
Ok, we have 100 pics of the same hairpin now, find something new ;)
here we are with a videoQuote:
Originally Posted by SubaruNorway
https://twitter.com/Traxx_WiF/media
That fast. There is something about that fiesta that reminds me of Pikes Peak. And I mean the car not the location
That is THE sound :)Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
If rumours are correct, 2017 WRC cars are about 1 sec pr km faster than todays cars.Quote:
Originally Posted by bluuford
That is the same difference as between todays R5 and WRC!
Those who say that this is not the new Group B - those people r lyin´!
Looks nice and quick!Quote:
Originally Posted by bluuford
Is there an argument to be made for increasing the R5 restrictor from 32mm to 34mm to try and maintain/lessen the gap between 2017 WRC and the R5s? Basically the FIA adopting the R5+ spec that M-Sport came out with a couple of years ago, which they said meant an extra 30bhp.
How do You define new gr.B? In 80' the gr.B was was something totally out of this world. The cars had often 10x bigger power than common stock cars and higher than anything one could buy. Today everybody can buy a second hand car with 300-400 Hp for little money and try how it feels himself and those who have money can buy Bugatti Veyron or Königsegg CCX and have 3x the power of WRC car. I wouldn't compare that as today's WRC are not about brutal power combined with primitive transmission, bad suspension and tyres.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lundefaret
If You want to make R5 cars a lor more expensive and a lot less reliable otherwise it makes no sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by the sniper
yes sounds and looks very fast. Cant wait for Monte.Quote:
Originally Posted by bluuford
Maybe, but it'd be interesting to know from someone running one how the costs and reliability of the Fiesta R5+ have compared to running the conventional R5 package.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
I understand Your point from regular customers PoV, but if we compare the models in production by power, AUDI Ur Quattro stock car had 197 bhp, while the rally version (S1 E2) - 450+ bhp (that is 2.5 times more power max). Fiesta 1.6 Ti-VCT (MK7-MK8) stock has 120 bhp vs. 360+ on the 2017 rally version (probably over 400 anyway), so this is 3 times more power at least.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
Hp isen't that impressive, it's the torque. I drive to work everyday with around the same HP as the current WRC :pQuote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
You didn't understood my point, but that's alright.
A bit different to compare those because the Audi was based on a performance car to start with and the Fiesta is based on a shopping trolley.Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
If we compare Peugeot 205 T16 (shopping trolley based Group B car) at ~450bhp with the most powerful Peugeot 205 GTi at 125bhp its 3.6x as much power.
If you compare 2017 Fiesta WRC with Fiesta ST (use performance version to be consistent) then say 380bhp vs 180bhp is 2.1x as much power.
No, AUDI Ur Quattro is not tuned model of an "regular" car, while Fiesta ST is, The same with Polo R. It is just at present You can buy tuned cars for less money than it was in 80's.Quote:
Originally Posted by GravelBen
The most powerful Peugeot 205 was the T16 and not the GTI, with 1.800cc turbocharged engine and 200bhpQuote:
Originally Posted by GravelBen
Fiesta R5+ is not just R5 with bigger restrictor.Quote:
Originally Posted by the sniper
Those were special homologation models for Gr.B supercars for God's sake. They existed only because of those gr.B cars. An average joe was driving 60 Hp car and a 400 Hp rallycar was something from Star Trek for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by RICARDO75
Current 1.6T WRC cars don't have any special torque due to the boost limitation. +/- 500 Nm isn't any impressive novadays.Quote:
Originally Posted by SubaruNorway
It's a lot more, maybe not x2 but over x1,5 for sure.
Quote:
Originally Posted by the sniper