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24th August 2010, 19:23
Bagwan

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Originally Posted by pallone col bracciale

Bravissimo!

An excellent description of the situation.

Thank you .
It's good to know that I understand .
24th August 2010, 20:15
Garry Walker

Just popping in to say how hopeful I am for serious engine problems for the Ferrari cars (well, the one driven by Alonso anyway) at Spa :D
24th August 2010, 20:33
donKey jote

You really have a crush on him don't you :laugh:
24th August 2010, 20:37
Garry Walker

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Originally Posted by donKey jote

You really have a crush on him don't you :laugh:

Yeah, all I need is 20 minutes with him :rotflmao:
24th August 2010, 20:40
SGWilko

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Originally Posted by Bagwan

When Enzo was around , he decided that no more of his country's sons would be risked at an Ferrari wheel .
It was different then , with so many lost each season .

There was great pride shown when an Italian took the wheel last year , but also great trepidation whether he would stand well under the pressure .

Sure , I think the nation would be happy to have an Italian champion , but clearly , the aim is for a red car to win , and the Tifosi understand this fully .

To the Tifosi , an average driver is not good enough , be he Italian or anything else .
And , if one that is good enough comes along , they will make every effort to sign him , happily .

And , judging from the decision regarding Fischichella's replacing Massa last year , the Scuderia is sometimes prone to letting nationalism creep in , albeit rarely . I'm not so sure he was the best available at the time .
But , maybe that's how they saw it .

It's really down to the order of importance .
To win is paramount .
I don't think anyone is saying that the Italian nation would be unhappy if an Italian driving for Ferrari won .
But , rather , that anyone , including an Italian , who didn't win , would make the nation unhappy .

If Carlsberg did Forum responses.....

I get it! Thanks Baggy.

And thanks also to pallone.
25th August 2010, 00:15
Valve Bounce

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

Indeed. 22 years in which to have a worthy home grown pilot.

So why was my previous post unfair?

Because, after Enzo's passing, it appeared to me that Ferrari's main aim was to hire the best F1 drivers available rather than focus on Italian drivers. This is a simple concept really as most teams want to do that.
25th August 2010, 01:31
mstillhere

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

Look,

My argument is as follows;

McLaren, as posted on this very thread, currently have an all British driver line-up. Great.

British team, British drivers. As a proud Brit (with little left to be proud of as successive governments have sold off everything we once had to shout about that was great about this country), it gives me something to celebrate, especially as both drivers and team are competetive in an all round competetive season.

Then, the post below pops up;

So I am intrigued to understand how being nationalistic is OK for some, but not for others.

And to highlight this, I use the comparison and point out that Ferrari does not and has not had a competetive Italian driver on the books for quite some years.

Now, given how fervent Italians are, and how, if you cut an Italian in half it says Ferrari inside, why are there not more Italians in F1. I accept that not all will be superstars, but the point about Ferrari being Italy and Vice Versa just does not ring true when you consider that talent vis a vis F1 drivers is not there to represent the country of the Scuderia. If it was as hyped, everyone would be wanting to drive for their team.......

My point I guess is that maybe, just maybe there is a bit too much pomp, and not enough circumstance?

I am not being derogatory to Ferrari, nor to the Italian nation, just asking the question, and pushing the point.

I don't know if I fully agree with what you wrote. If I understand Italians enough, if you cut one in a half I don't think you are going to find Ferrari written inside but you'd rather find Juventus, Inter MIlan, Rome, etc. Most Italian young people would rather become a famous soccer player than a profssional F1 driver. And I dare say that in GB is pretty much the same thing as anywhere else in Europe. In fact, F1 is hardly the most popular sport in Italy. I would agree that you'd find Ferrari written inside as long as that Italian is an Italian F1 tifosi but I would not generalize as you did.

This might explain the reason why you don't see that many, if any, Italians drivers in F1.

In the same token, in the U.S., although it might be regional, the majority of young people want to become famous (American) football player or basketball etc. I am not too sure how many people want to become professional racing drivers but the percentage compared to the other sports is definetly miniscule.

Bottom line: the ball is way more popular than the piston.
25th August 2010, 01:34
mstillhere

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Originally Posted by pallone col bracciale

It is the car which is important.

Understand that, and you understand the difference.

I would definetly second that. I don't care who drives for Ferrari either (although I make one exception for MS). To me the most important thing is Ferrari winning.

Drivers come and go. Ferrari as a legend stands for ever.
25th August 2010, 01:36
mstillhere

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Originally Posted by Garry Walker

Just popping in to say how hopeful I am for serious engine problems for the Ferrari cars (well, the one driven by Alonso anyway) at Spa :D

Don't jinx it :)
25th August 2010, 04:40
Valve Bounce

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bagwan

When Enzo was around , he decided that no more of his country's sons would be risked at an Ferrari wheel .
It was different then , with so many lost each season .

This was specifically after the crash and horror fiery aftermath of Bandini's accident.

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Originally Posted by Bagwan

There was great pride shown when an Italian took the wheel last year , but also great trepidation whether he would stand well under the pressure .

Sure , I think the nation would be happy to have an Italian champion , but clearly , the aim is for a red car to win , and the Tifosi understand this fully .

To the Tifosi , an average driver is not good enough , be he Italian or anything else .
And , if one that is good enough comes along , they will make every effort to sign him , happily .

And , judging from the decision regarding Fischichella's replacing Massa last year , the Scuderia is sometimes prone to letting nationalism creep in , albeit rarely . I'm not so sure he was the best available at the time .
But , maybe that's how they saw it .

It's really down to the order of importance .
To win is paramount .
I don't think anyone is saying that the Italian nation would be unhappy if an Italian driving for Ferrari won .
But , rather , that anyone , including an Italian , who didn't win , would make the nation unhappy .

I think you've got it spot on, Baggy. ;(

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