Re: [WRC] News & rumours (part II)
After long time browseing forum I've decided to post some of my thougts...
I,ve always liked drivers who are capable of winning more than a one stage. As I am not team leader and I dont care about team result I always rate drivers of they capability to deliver true speed in stage. These drivers are for WRC and not simple point scorers. If driver can win stages that shows, that he has talent, has no fear, has natural god given feel of the limit. I think these drivers have to be chosen for WRC, because sooner or later they will deliver and WRC would be interesting to watch.
Who of you did not like Battle of sebs in Argentina 2013 ?? It was obwious, that Super Ogier was watching Loeb's splits and as soon as he saw that Loeb in on incredible pace in stage 6 or 7 (nor remember correctly) Ogier went off.
I would rather see WRC full of actually fast drivers who try to impress, but crash out in a big fight.
Thats why I dont like that Tanak is without a drive, that Meeke is (and 90% will bee) without a drive.
Some other drivers simply will never win - Wilson, Prokop, Al Quassimi, Nasser e.c
I think there is big potential for Novikov an this pressure no to crash is killig his career. They should allow him to go for it full speed an results would follow. Same for tanak. believe me, I've seen Tanak in stages in Latvia then he was a boy an his talent was visible. He drove his Golf II like it was a WRC and crashed everyone in time tables in his class.
Re: [WRC] News & rumours (part II)
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Originally Posted by Negaiss
After long time browseing forum I've decided to post some of my thougts...
I,ve always liked drivers who are capable of winning more than a one stage. As I am not team leader and I dont care about team result I always rate drivers of they capability to deliver true speed in stage. These drivers are for WRC and not simple point scorers. If driver can win stages that shows, that he has talent, has no fear, has natural god given feel of the limit. I think these drivers have to be chosen for WRC, because sooner or later they will deliver and WRC would be interesting to watch.
Who of you did not like Battle of sebs in Argentina 2013 ?? It was obwious, that Super Ogier was watching Loeb's splits and as soon as he saw that Loeb in on incredible pace in stage 6 or 7 (nor remember correctly) Ogier went off.
I would rather see WRC full of actually fast drivers who try to impress, but crash out in a big fight.
Thats why I dont like that Tanak is without a drive, that Meeke is (and 90% will bee) without a drive.
Some other drivers simply will never win - Wilson, Prokop, Al Quassimi, Nasser e.c
I think there is big potential for Novikov an this pressure no to crash is killig his career. They should allow him to go for it full speed an results would follow. Same for tanak. believe me, I've seen Tanak in stages in Latvia then he was a boy an his talent was visible. He drove his Golf II like it was a WRC and crashed everyone in time tables in his class.
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Re: [WRC] News & rumours (part II)
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Originally Posted by Negaiss
After long time browseing forum I've decided to post some of my thougts...
I,ve always liked drivers who are capable of winning more than a one stage. As I am not team leader and I dont care about team result I always rate drivers of they capability to deliver true speed in stage. These drivers are for WRC and not simple point scorers. If driver can win stages that shows, that he has talent, has no fear, has natural god given feel of the limit. I think these drivers have to be chosen for WRC, because sooner or later they will deliver and WRC would be interesting to watch.
Who of you did not like Battle of sebs in Argentina 2013 ?? It was obwious, that Super Ogier was watching Loeb's splits and as soon as he saw that Loeb in on incredible pace in stage 6 or 7 (nor remember correctly) Ogier went off.
I would rather see WRC full of actually fast drivers who try to impress, but crash out in a big fight.
Thats why I dont like that Tanak is without a drive, that Meeke is (and 90% will bee) without a drive.
Some other drivers simply will never win - Wilson, Prokop, Al Quassimi, Nasser e.c
I think there is big potential for Novikov an this pressure no to crash is killig his career. They should allow him to go for it full speed an results would follow. Same for tanak. believe me, I've seen Tanak in stages in Latvia then he was a boy an his talent was visible. He drove his Golf II like it was a WRC and crashed everyone in time tables in his class.
very nice, i do not think anyone disagrees with you ...
are you willing to pay the bills for the wrecked cars these drivers need in order to learn ? because the teams are not willing to...
Re: [WRC] News & rumours (part II)
NOT, you have rised very good point here. Yes, actually spectators are willing to pay more to see extremely spectacular drivers and those who crash sometimes as well.Maybe team bosses are too much thinking about the end result of the season? How much customer cares about the fact that Citroen is multiple WRChampion? How much publisity it gives for the team when there is a big fight between couple of drivers and one goes off?How many so called "clicks" the one who goes off the road gets? and how many gets the one who wins? Maybe teams are not realizing the reality? I learnd in my economy lesson that to be a good salesman you need to know what your customers are expecting from you? Are we expecting titles? are we expecting very spectacular footages, pictures and sometimes some crashes. Be honest with yourself and think what average Joe expects?
Re: [WRC] News & rumours (part II)
Exactly, every team boss wants a Loeb, instant speed, no crashes! I would also say Ogier, but he binned it a fair bit in the first season or so, difference is that Ogier had backing from FFSA and Citroen had more money to spend at the time. There is no doubt that Meeke could one day challenge Ogier, but it wont happen now.
Re: [WRC] News & rumours (part II)
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Originally Posted by Doon
There is no doubt that Meeke could one day challenge Ogier, but it wont happen now.
Really? I do have the doubts and I'm sure I'm not alone. If it was like that there would be at least ten drivers challenging Ogier but sadly there are none in reality. Your assumption that some level can be reached by anybody after enough time/crashes spent is wrong. If it was true Khalid Al Quassimi or Nasser Al Attiyah would be champions now because their budget is unlimited and they can crash every single rally three times. Have You realized that Ogier did only 3 seasons in small cars and only one of them international before stepping in WRC car on WRC stages? Some try for ten years without success, some just have some more skills.
Re: [WRC] News & rumours (part II)
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Originally Posted by bluuford
NOT, you have rised very good point here. Yes, actually spectators are willing to pay more to see extremely spectacular drivers and those who crash sometimes as well.Maybe team bosses are too much thinking about the end result of the season? How much customer cares about the fact that Citroen is multiple WRChampion? How much publisity it gives for the team when there is a big fight between couple of drivers and one goes off?How many so called "clicks" the one who goes off the road gets? and how many gets the one who wins? Maybe teams are not realizing the reality? I learnd in my economy lesson that to be a good salesman you need to know what your customers are expecting from you? Are we expecting titles? are we expecting very spectacular footages, pictures and sometimes some crashes. Be honest with yourself and think what average Joe expects?
Team bosses are on a leash from the big daddys about spending... a few years back every useless driver and his grandmother had chances (from skiers to bicycling champion and even girls from F1). So now that the finances suffer they have to make safe choices... it is simple as that.
The average joe doesn't even know rallying exists, the average joe is a retard nobody... he just clicks on racing accidents to have fun... and the main reason teams do this is not because they love the sport it is because they want to sell cars and the average joe when he goes to buy a car he will never hear from the salesman that this model crashed 10 times he will hear that this model won 10 championships so the average retard can brag to his retard friends...
Re: [WRC] News & rumours (part II)
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Originally Posted by Doon
There is no doubt that Meeke could one day challenge Ogier, but it wont happen now.
No...
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they want to sell cars and the average joe when he goes to buy a car he will never hear from the salesman that this model crashed 10 times he will hear that this model won 10 championships
thats it. wrc is not like f1 getting hundreds of millions per year for tv rights and other sorts of paid live feed. bluuford, what schools teach you is just "dry" theories. to be really successfull you dont need to blindly follow a rule said by some analyser but you must think on your own and find what can be applied where and how it can be modified to match the change conditions.
Re: [WRC] News & rumours (part II)
But Citroen also need to look at future potential for victory, and Meeke has that. The two current ones have had their shot.