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I would turn the question. Why they are forced to use something which is not 100% and in the same time also very expensive (for most of privateers)? If it was voluntary, anybody could choose if he wanted to use it or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Juha_Koo
Why not make roll cages and helmets and overalls optional then?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
We all know that the science points to Neck restraints saving lives from Basilar skull fractures , which are generally fatal. Your compatriot Vjtechcha Stajf would attest to that I'm sure.
The device is used in all forms of Motorsport and even BMX and Mountain biking downhill. For the price vs safety benefit you would be mad not to wear one.
You misinterpret what Mirek saying. For other kind of motorsport, Hans device has proved to provide extra safety, although in rallying we have plenty of examples as Mirek noted that it caused additional injuries that would not have been observed if HANS was not use (maybe?). So it's contribution to avoid injuries in rallying is a bit questionable.Quote:
Originally Posted by ThomasS
Btw is Kosciuszko's injury also related to this?
Well yes it could be that the vibration and shock energy is being transferred down the spine due to the wearing of neck restraints but it's also probable that incidences of Cervical injuries and complaints has decreased since the introduction of neck restraints.
The introduction of the helmet to motor sport increased the incidence of cervical injuries due to the extra mass that the neck has to support. But you don't see any suggestions that the helmet be made an optional item because of that.
Motor rallying has always had a high prevalence of musculoskeletal injuries because of it's very nature, the suggestion that lower lumbar and thoracic injuries has increased due to the use of neck restraints is at best anecdotal.
To me its academic anyhow ,having a spinal compression or fracture is still a better outcome than being paralysed at the neck or dead.
Because who already made the investment to buy the HANS, will not buy another system, at least as when the HANS have homologations. I don't know about in the rest of the world, but in Portugal HANS it's expensive, as well as the Simpson Hybrid.Quote:
Originally Posted by Juha_Koo
ThomaS, how many of Your friends have suffered broken vertebrae in otherwise minor accidents? You can come here and tell them man to man that what happened to them is for their own good. Doubt they would agree though.
I wonder if it has more to do with it being new or because the fia homologated one is so expensive. To be honest I didn't find the older one comfortable at all which I why I went a different route. But with helmets expiring this year, I will be ordering the new Hybrid at the same time since I feel it will reduce my chance of injury compared to my current setup.Quote:
Originally Posted by Juha_Koo
I doubt he's full of ca$h. Or if he actually is rich, he manages to hide his wealth very convincingly. And he's not very young either at age 31.Quote:
Originally Posted by DIMI44
eWRC-results.com - profile Alexey Lukyanuk
He would need a handful of years to prove that he's fast on up-to-date machinery, aka other than N4 Evo X. He really is quick on fast-flowing stages, but it's not a given fact that Lukyanuk can be fast elsewhere outside the Baltic & Finland region. A comparison with Gigi Galli would come to my mind - he wasn't very young either when he finally got his chance with Mitsubishi's factory team in the top class.
That's an emotional response. And I'm not sure what your argument is. Are you saying you think Neck braces are the cause of increased incidences of spinal injury ? I'm sure you have some stories but they are anecdotes and nothing to make any inference from.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
- Even before neck braces were introduced to the sport , incidences of Lumbar injury and fatigue were higher than cervical injuries.
- Neck braces have reduced cervical spine injuries hugely but they also reduce the severity of post race fatigue and pain that crew suffer during any event. Especially co-drivers , their heads are down a lot and they have nothing to hang on to like the driver.
- Crew fitness has a huge part to play in the bodies ability to cope with vibration and shock. Most amateur crews have marginal fitness and strength compared to a professional driver . A neck brace would be even more important I would have thought.
Lets face it your head is doing a great impression of a bladder on a stick.
There was a months long investigation done by our driver's association in co-operation with number of specialized doctors. As a result the association asked our ASN to change status of HANS from mandatory to voluntary as they found direct connection between the use of HANS and the new phenomena of broken lumbar vertebrae after HANS introduction (You are wrong in Your assumption that this kind of injuries was frequent before - it was very rare). The request was also directed to FIA. There was no result at all so as a next step there was a petition of drivers and co-driver's against the obligation of HANS use. It was signed by some 200 drivers and co-drivers but the result from ASN was again zero. Only repeating of same phrases like You do. Nobody denies very positive effect of HANS in case of frontal impact but on the contrary to circuits most of rally crashes are not frontal ones. Anyway if somebody wants to use it on voluntary basis, no problem. Fact is that to make HANS mandatory in all events run under FIA rules created demand for thousands of devices and that was a huge business. When that market was filled they put HANS into cross-country events where it has even less meaning, especially for truckers where it also limits side-visibility which is very dangerous when driving close to "small" competitors such as buggies or even bikes. I have never heard any positive word from cross country crews about HANS but a lot of complains.Quote:
Originally Posted by ThomasS
Anyway You are reported for constant infractions. You don't need to reply because I will not read it.