Just seen in autosport that Rob Collard and Steven Kane have been testing the motorbase Beemers.
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Just seen in autosport that Rob Collard and Steven Kane have been testing the motorbase Beemers.
I saw that too. With Kane, his name and a number was on the side of the car which suggests to me that he will be one of Motorbase's drivers.Quote:
Originally Posted by VXRDartford
Yeah I think that pretty much confirms Kane. Hope someone better than Collard is the other driver, but I'd say it will be Kane & Collard
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Originally Posted by Alfa Fan
Interesting comment there... Do you want to 'discuss' that?
Yeah, I just really don't rate Collard as a driver. Gets involved in far too many silly accidents and is generally a liability to himself and others out there.Quote:
Originally Posted by PDS
Personally, I think Collard is an underated driver.. who, as yet, has not shown his true potentional as a race driver.
Yes he got involved in 'silly' accidents before, but that was due to where he was running in the pack. Just look at some of the 'mid-field' drivers from last year got up to.. even some front runners!
I would like to see what he could do in a competitive car given the chance.
Assuming he has got a drive for this year!
Well for me 2006 was his big change up alongside Turkington. And he blew it.
Who else could they put in the team?
Sensible answers please!
Well the fact they're considering Collards confirms that the drives are partly driver funded, so that rules out a lot of talented, but fundless drivers.
A better choice than Rob Collard? Well someone like Andy Neate for a start as he's the obvious suggestion. (Has money, and was in contention for WSR).
His ultimate pace is unproven, but I would imagine his accident damage would be significantly less!
James Pickford? Dunno where he's got to since he fell of the radar at the end of 2005. I would much rather a good young driver got the seat then Collard.
Getting less realistic due to bugdets but, any of Stefan Hodgetts, Jonathan Adam, Tom Boardman, Dan Buxton, Paul Rivett and Oli Wilkinson have all shown they have what it takes. Look at what Jackson & Shedden have done coming out of Cupras. Boardman & Adam would be just as good!
Adam has £200k to put towards a drive as well, about 1/3 of the total budget needed. (He's probabily spent it elsewhere out of the BTCC though already sadly).
How do work that one out???Quote:
Originally Posted by Alfa Fan
Unfortunatley there are too many drivers in that situation!Quote:
Originally Posted by Alfa Fan
From reading a recent post. It seems that Motorbase was not a choice for him?Quote:
Originally Posted by Alfa Fan
No way of telling... Is there?Quote:
Originally Posted by Alfa Fan
The biggest problems for a lot of teams is..hit the nail on the head there!Quote:
Originally Posted by Alfa Fan
Because there are far better prospects than Collard sitting on the sidelines!Quote:
Originally Posted by PDS
Well judging by previous years, Collard has got involved in far too many expensive accidents.
So Giovanardi, Neal, Plato, Thompson, etc, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alfa Fan
Have never got involved in expensive accidents?
Not to the same extent. Usually the accidents there involved in are fighting it out for the win or podium positions. Not usually involved in as many silly accidents as Collard.Quote:
Originally Posted by PDS
I give up!Quote:
Originally Posted by Alfa Fan
Your dislike for Collard goes deep... I recommend therapy!
Good luck!
As fer as i'm aware there are only 5 drivers in the btcc that do not pay for their drives.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alfa Fan
Also any damage is paid for by the driver,so it is only expensive for said driver.
Unless you refuse to pay like 1 driver i could name.
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Originally Posted by PDS
Well said Peter, thank you.
Rob has his critics but so do most drivers. His biggest critic is himself and he is very determined to get back into the BTCC and show his true potential in a competitive car.
I hope he gets this drive and his luck turns.
Chris
Hear Hear good call gents and good luck Rob,
Peter you are LEGEND!!!!! see you media day..
Is there any news on the rumoured Arena Motorsport Ford Focus?
They didn't get very far into the project before it was canned (presumably because Chilton decided to go with Dynamics).Quote:
Originally Posted by astraracer20
Just read in this weeks Autosport that Steven Kane and Rob Collard have been testing the Motorbase Perfromance BMW 320s at Brands Hatch this week.........................
Good news for Rob after he missed out on a Chevy drive with Robertshaw Racing and good to see that Steven Kane might just be moving up as I think wel all know he is a very good driver (especially in RWD)...................
have to agree with alfa fan. Putting collard in the car is a waste. He was no where compared to Turkington in 2006. People say he is underated, I just dont see how!! yea he is a very nice guy, but he doesent get the results in
Collard did struggle against Turkington at WSR but he had very competitive seasons before that with WSR and his own team, so I think he deserves another shot in a competitive car.
I would go with Alfa Fan. I think theirs loads of talent who have shown they can crack it outside of the SCC and I think is worth a punt.Quote:
Originally Posted by PDS
Can we look at Tom Bordman, Neil Waterworth and Liam McMillan who are doing as far as know all rounds of the EuroCup and Supacopa with Triple R and can we also add Pinkney and Ferrier to like likes of Jackson and 'Flash' (Shedden)?
Can I suggest four?:
JonathanFildes?
Adrian Churchill?
Carl Breeze?
Alan Blencowe
Last I heard he won the FiA GT3 Porche Manufacturers Cup with Richard Williams last year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alfa Fan
I also think you should go with Alfa Fan. As far away from this forum as possible!
And pray tell what could I have done now to offended you for you to come out with that?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dickie L'Amour
But then why am I compaining? No doubt the mods will conveniently miss that and let you get away with it.
There's no need to be like that. SEATfreak was only expressing his opinion that there are a lot of drivers out there who deserve a chance in the BTCC.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dickie L'Amour
Thank you Vkm. Exactly. And despite the long rivalry with him I guess you can also say the same thing about AF.Quote:
Originally Posted by VkmSpouge
One can only suggest Dickie doesn't agree therefore with the view that we ( Alfa Fan and I) share that talent in the SCC have the capabilities to confirm their readiness to break into championships like the BTCC.
I think Breeze is too much of a liability, he had his chance, and shown he just wasnt good enough in the BTCC, i'd like to know just how many DNFs he got that year...
I'm sure, had any of the "talent" you and Alfa FAn wish to champion, Had gone to Dave Bartrum with a large enough cheque, the they would have been in with a shot at the drive.
It seems to be missed by a lot of people that running racing cars is a business!
Unless you are a manufacturer or a team backed by a major sponsor, then 99 times out 100, the guy with the fatest wallet gets the drive.
Talent can, unfortunately, be irrelevant!
in Carls defence, the car and team didn't help his efforts much.
8 in total. In rounds 1, 2, 4, 10, 12, 14, 19 and 20. :p : :)Quote:
Originally Posted by VX_Rules
Yeah, that's pretty, Well, Consistent i suppose you could say, sure he's talented when he doesnt crash, but even in the Cupras he doesnt seem to have much luck.
I mean 8 DNFs is like MG standard :D
But does anyone seriously believe he will be as bad if not worse again?
If I had said the news, that Richard Williams returning back to the BTCC with a new team but with one who has a decent racing pedigree (and btw I know no such news exists - it is only purely hypotehetical.) is bad because Richard Williams didn't do that well with HPI Racing, how many would have said something along the lines that "That was back then. Things might be different now. He has done diffrerent things since then."
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Originally Posted by SEATFreak
jees I had to read that twice to realise it was hypothetical - bummer really because Richie is a very good driver in the right car as shown by his Porsche exploits.
You didn't see the part that actually specifies it is a purely hypotethical scenario? Despite being told it is a hypothetical scenario you have to rely on realising it was hypothetical?Quote:
Originally Posted by Les
Did you not see the part that predicted with frightening accuracy that atleast one person would take my comment as a fact?
I am really starting to be worried at how people seem to be treating my posts in general because I said it was hypotehtical yet you didn't know it was until you realised it.
Exactly. Do you also think Richard is a very good driver in the right car? Because two seasons ago he finished 4th in the Carreras and finished 10th (respectable??) in the Supercup last year for Racing Team Indonesia as I am sure you all know. Compare that to the 14th with 14pts for HPI.Quote:
Originally Posted by Les
Surely this is proof perhaps of some existing realism that the differing situations can change a driver. The different car, the different team, the different tracks and the different quality in the championship.
The HPI Lexi were the problems there, the team never really got on top of themQuote:
Originally Posted by SEATFreak
I think that the Lexus was way to under developed to race in 2005 and it was a shame because it kind of ruined Richards ans Ian Curleys BTCC Careers........
Not really. Who is to say that they would have been in the BTCC, had their team not moved up? If anything, it gave them a bit more exposure than being 2 Clio drivers in a field of 20 other Clios.
Hence we're still talking about them
Hi guys, sorry I couldn’t put more about this but this was Team 48, its a fantastic deal with some great guys behind it, in Luther, Jon, Les and Kevin.Quote:
Originally Posted by dwracing23
I bet this was the biggest surprise of the day for everyone. I must say I am very hopeful of a good show at Brands on the team’s first race. It was a great day at Rockingham today and I must say I was surprised by the amount of people that did attend.
It’s a big challenge for the two drivers but an exciting one as well.
What do you think of it?