I for one enjoy that we have a truly different challenge among 10+ almost equal rallys.
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I for one enjoy that we have a truly different challenge among 10+ almost equal rallys.
Variety is one thing, absurdity is another thing. This is a farce and we only are at the end of first competitive day, I am afraid we will see a lot more carnage before the rally is over. While I do agree about survival and endurance aspect, this is nothing but lottery like worst Acropolis puncture-fests several years ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by PLuto
The teams were given dispensation to make adjustments to the cars.
None of them chose it.
The problem here is that these drivers just can't change their brain to think of anything other than flat out.
So many people on this forum bang on about the 'good old days'. Well, here it is.
Kalle messed up not driving to the conditions. He drove with his balls rather than his brains.
And this is what happens.
Exactly. World driver champion should be the one who adapts to conditions best. Next we could start complaining that they should plow/salt Monte stages when snow comes.Quote:
Originally Posted by PLuto
The only farce about this is that the drivers chose not to be careful. That's what you get.Quote:
Originally Posted by jonkka
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There are all driving faster then they should.
Teams will learn from this. Turkey 2018 was a car breaker and I think it wasn't as bad in following years
None of drivers said after recce that stages are impossible to drive.
To me it looks they are just driving too fast in wrong places.
But just last year we had stages cancelled in monza because there was snow on the road.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
Also agree on that. But when mind set doesn´t change? And all cars are retired. What´s wrong then? Drivers? Organizers? Teambosses? Who to blaim drivers are going full speed in the djungle?Quote:
Originally Posted by PLuto
Is Neuville still moving on the maps after three punctures ?
moving toward service, half way with Tänak and KatsutaQuote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
For me, I like the challenge of it, but I’m not sure it works very well with the sprint format events and the modern equipment that isn’t designed for this. If they built ‘safari’ spec cars and ran over long stages it would make sense to me, but I can’t see that happening on cost grounds.
I am delighted to see Greece back on the calendar, but I do wonder with the modern format and tyre regs, how many cars will run out of tyres to get back to service.
But did you forget the actual reason it was cancelled? The emergency vehicles they used were not capable of driving the stage in case of a serious accident.Quote:
Originally Posted by denkimi
Exactly. And how do you think any emergency cars would get to the cars here in those conditions?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rally Hokkaido
https://www.ewrc-results.com/media/6...nya-2021/3338/
Yeah, and the jump from Monte Lerno :D
not from KenyaQuote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
Given it's Pirelli, it will be carnageQuote:
Originally Posted by doubled1978
big 4x4 trucks can go through or around that no problemQuote:
Originally Posted by denkimi
its not pirelli fault that they want to compete at all rallies with 2 different tyres.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigWorm
Back on safari days they used to have different tyres,reinforced.And that wasnt only for Safari,was for Acropolis and other rough stages around the world.And that tyre was the best tyre for decades for rough gravel.
back on these days they used to have special safari chassis with reinforced strut towers and other chassis parts.
Now they want to finish this event with same car .Of course its not easy.
On a general not I think the WRC should be about variety and challenge. And even though this event is not 5000km or whatever like in the "good old days" it's still a completely different challenge and I love it. No it's not a farce, not at all, it's about survival, even in the "good old days" you had gaps of 10-15-25 minutes between the winner and 2nd place and it was more about who can last to the finish and often few did. You could even say they have it easy nowadays with superrally. Hell if only 4-5 WRC's make it to the end that'd be pretty typical for Safari.
Hahh well, this is Safari after all. I see there are different opinions, but I am really liking it for that its modern safari, but feels like true safari rally. Situation quickly changing, huge gaps and we see that slowest drivers had no problems and that shos that there is nothing wrong with the event just with inability to choose the right speed. I wouldn't want for all event of the season to be like that, but one is perfect.
still some problems for Neuville's car.. Wydaeghe is keeping the engine on and revving
Plus they had mousse in the tyres.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
Booom!!Quote:
Originally Posted by denkimi
Quote from Tänak after 1st loop: "it was easiest loop of the rally".
And from this Safari-religion-discussion, I like those changes as well, but from competition perspective it's not nice situation when you have only 6 of 11 WRC cars can survice 7 stages and 9.5min loss still gives you 7th place. And this one can get worse and boring to watch how everyone nursing their cars through. But this is just what someone like or not like, If you don't control rules and situation, you just need to adapt.
And a couple of tyres on the roof...Quote:
Originally Posted by fredfush
Two river crossings tomorrow on Soysambu. It’s not the rain season anymore.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
Ott just said in the mediazone that he was at 60% today
I agree with Tanak, only the long middle stage today felt like like a safari stage. The other two were too narrow, slow and in the forest (plus very bad fesh-fesh !)
are you sure?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom K
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E4uq5BXX...g&name=900x900
thats a nice one
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E4u64_1X...name=4096x4096
At points it was impossible for Rovanperä to see, and that was ultimately what led to his retirement. Driving blind, his Yaris WRC veered off the line and got stuck next to the road.
https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/neuvi...-friday-stage/
Completely fine with normal 4x4 that "everyone" drives there.Quote:
Originally Posted by denkimi
If you noticed the pickup that pulled Rovanpera out had absolutely no problems with it, didn't even look like any wheelspin.
That was some modern pickup (I think Nissan Navara) with normal tires.
Also at low speed it's no problem to drive outside of the ruts.
Michele Mouton demanded Turkey route to be rougher in FIA pre-event check. Then the roughest part took Östberg and Evans at the beginning of the rally. That part wasn’t used anymore in the next years.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigWorm
Oh please shut up about that and go read bluuford’s post in the Monza thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by denkimi
They can just drive around the soft part. And the Kenyan emergency vehicles are different than on an Italian village.Quote:
Originally Posted by denkimi