And next rally is on tarmac where the roads will be very dirty....then a great start position for Portugal and SardiniaQuote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
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And next rally is on tarmac where the roads will be very dirty....then a great start position for Portugal and SardiniaQuote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
sorry EstWRC couldnt resist! lolQuote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
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Originally Posted by TypeR
so maybe not a complete bs? :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by er88
I get what you mean, driving style certainly affect durability of some components and Ott is at times too harsh with his car. But when it's always Hyundai resulting more fragile and less reliable than Toyota, one has to ask himself some questions...Quote:
Originally Posted by wyler
Well it used to be Toyota that was always the more fragile and less reliable when Ott was there...Quote:
Originally Posted by focus206
that's for sure. hiunday being late in development and past history is out of doubt.Quote:
Originally Posted by focus206
still, some rumors on tanak leaving toyota were (also) about too many issues on the car.
to be clear, not a hater of tanak, just lining up some thinkings. hope he will bounce back in the mix. wrc needs his character in the fight, and his crown speaks for his speed.
But 3 massive testing crashes didnt. The hybrid is fine up to massive G-forces.Quote:
Originally Posted by er88
What was different in Tanaks case ?
Yes, but that's few years ago already. Ott always had above average number of troubles compared to other drivers, but in the past couple of years he and Neuville were plagued by troubles way too often for it to be attributed only to drivers.Quote:
Originally Posted by krissucool
Passats de canto video
https://youtu.be/d38C0M9wUpI
You can have a crash where everything survives and have one with less G force in the right area and it does not. It is not as black and white as you think it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
At Toyota the other guys were also having a lot of problems, in 2019 the only failure it had in Otts hands was the notorious Sardegna PS stage power steering failure, which also Latvala had and was because of faulty part as i remember? the 2019 Yaris must have been quite a tank then :DQuote:
Originally Posted by krissucool
the guys who are saying he has agressive style or being too harsh with the car, can you explain more? its not that im not believing you or defending Ott, it just really interests me cause theres definitely a pattern with him having a lot of mechanical troubles compared to others and it just cant be bad luck all the time.
For me his style doesnt seem that agressive, especially after the period he was teammates with Ogier, you could see the change. I remember in 2020 before Rally Mexico, our rally legend Murakas was asked who will be 1-2 at the rally? He answered that Ogier and Tänak, and when asked why, he said cause those two have the smoothest style and you need it in Mexico. and guess what, the result was 1-2 at that rally in that order.
Last year when had the rear suspension failure at POrtugal, i went and looked all the onboards until that stage, including that one, cause a lot of guys here said he drives aggresively. Again, so smooth and nice style, not letting the car slide at all and keeping it on middle of the road. I remember George Donaldson sayin the same at Dirthfish podcast after he looked the same onboards.
is he then hitting things at wrong times then, pushing at wrong time, landing badly or whats the issue?
My guess has been that it's something in the way he sets the car up combined with the driving style, making the car bottom out or something. But I'm not an engineer. If Tänak and Ogier have similar driving styles, how come Ogier has so little technical faults? Maybe Ogier knows when to go 100% and when to ease off? Tänak keeps smashing the stage times until the car breaks down
not the same style, but both are smooth Murakas saidQuote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
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Hyundai frustrated as hybrid issue ends Tanak's WRC victory chance
Hyundai has described Ott Tanak’s Rally Sweden retirement as “very frustrating” after a hybrid issue out of the team’s hands ended the Estonian’s bid for a World Rally Championship victory.
Tanak was firmly in the fight for the win having won two stages on Friday placing the 2019 world champion 1.1 seconds adrift of the lead when drama struck.
Tanak had completed the final 10km of stage five with a hybrid issue, which then triggered a red warning light on his car that required him to stop on a road section.
As per new Rally1 hybrid FIA regulations such a situation requires the team to retire the car as a safety precaution.
The team is then unable to touch the car until it is declared safe by hybrid unit supplier Compact Dynamics.
This is the first time the new regulations have been put to use since the launch of the new Rally1 rules.
Speaking to Autosport, Hyundai deputy team director Julien Moncet declared the situation frustrating given Tanak had been challenging for the lead.
“It is very frustrating for us and for him,” said Moncet. “He did an incredible race up until this point and he could have been in a leading position, it is not his fault at all.
“During the stage, Ott had an issue with the hybrid which triggered, later on, the red light and of course due to the regulations, and as a safety precaution, we decided to stop him.
“There is a rule in place that when you trigger the red light that the car has to go into quarantine so Compact Dynamics and the FIA make sure the car is safe before we actually touch it.
“This is a new process and unfortunately we are the first one to test it so for sure we have to work together.
“We will investigate what has happened and we will investigate with Compact Dynamics and FIA.
“It is not really clear what happened, the car is still not back. It is bit frustrating but let’s go through the whole investigation process.”
Inadvertently Tanak’s demise did however help the cause for Hyundai’s two remaining entries.
A late surge in the final two stages lifted Thierry Neuville into a 4.3s rally lead over Toyota’s Kalle Rovanpera, which he will take into Saturday, while Solberg sits in fifth position.
Prior to the event, Moncet declared a podium was achievable in Sweden despite the team’s woeful start to the season in Monte Carlo last month, but is refusing to celebrate the improved pace until the results are secured.
“We have to wait for Sunday afternoon - we have seen a lot of issues for our competitors through the rally, it is far from being over,” he added.
“We are of course pleased with the result so far, but the rally is not over yet.
“We have shown some improvement in terms of performance. If we manage to get a podium or podiums then I think it will be more than welcome.”
https://www.autosport.com/wrc/news/h...hance/8497862/
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Today has been unreal, but nothing we could have done differently. Rallying is still in our blood, we won’t give up and we go again tomorrow!
On the topic of the red light, there were a number of incidents in Extreme E races where bumps and bottoming out of the trucks caused the electric powertrains to grind to a complete halt.
I'm worried, if bumps and compressions can cause this, for rallies like Finland or even Kenya
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They need to improve it but nobody else had problems... Might be a fluke, let's see
From what I have seen over the last few years I would agree, Tanak seems to me to have evolved to have a very neat and tidy style. However I do think he is the outright fastest guy in the championship, if I had to put money on one guy to win a 1 stage shootout, it would be him. That said he does seem to have an unusual amount of bad luck, but if that is attributable to him in any way, who knows?Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
Some pictures from Friday: https://www.ir7.at/content/fotos_bes...eden_2022.html
https://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2022/sweden2/1.jpg
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https://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2022/sweden2/3.jpghttps://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2022/sweden2/5.jpghttps://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2022/sweden2/6.jpghttps://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2022/sweden2/7.jpg
From what I've seen with Ogier in similar situations (eg running over a policeman whos trying to stop him) I think Tänak should have just winged it and go for it.
I mean, if he gets penalized or dq for that - so what, his season is already probably screwed either way.
But maybe another big bump wouldve fixed the hybrid system? It works for some of my electronics :D
A "neat and tidy" driving style doesn't automatically translate to little stress on the car. It's not just about oversteer.
In case you're wondering, SS2 was red flagged because Nagle pressed accidentally the SOS button
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Morning
Tänak is continuing as I see, starting second after Breen
Neuville was mega yesterday with his tyre saving but with Kalle having a good starting position today I think my money is on him
Tänak:
,,Yea, you know what happened is.. definitely a kind of joke, which maybe sometimes should make you cry, but actually makes you laugh. Because you know, in rallying if you have 4 wheels and the car is driving and some third party company says you need to come out of the competition it shows that there is no system at the moment in this big operation.
It's quite a joke, but okay we continue.''
The reference by Murakas was about needing a smooth driving style in Mexico, my assumption is that it references to not damaging the car.Quote:
Originally Posted by becher
BTW one reason my stage average speed estimates failed is that I didn't realize there's so much snow on the roads, they look narrower than on the recce videos and the snowbanks are "flooding" onto the road. Furthermore, I didn't think about tyre wear and darkness at all, they have made the last stages of the loop and last stages of the day slower.
Morning.
Seems splits doesn´t work on WRC.com... working for you?
others also not getting splits in wrc plus?
Tyre info: only Gus with 2 spares
Nope, unfortunately.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
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Originally Posted by Rallyper
It's WRC.com you are talking about, have they ever worked? ;)
let's wait for some excuses again :DQuote:
Originally Posted by BleAivano
started to work now on live maps
In fact, they just started working...Quote:
Originally Posted by BleAivano
EDIT: Maybe? Numbers seem very odd...
Splits working now.
Someone was sleepy and didn´t push the button... :)
slow split for Oliver
Oliver going too wide
thats a horrible time from him
Toyota stage.