Sounds like FIA just wants the normal boring stage end answers.
"I had a clean stage"
"It felt alright"
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Sounds like FIA just wants the normal boring stage end answers.
"I had a clean stage"
"It felt alright"
Were you hurt by these words? Are you offended?Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
FFS, pure emotion. Thats why we watch sport. Dont have to be such a pussy.
Just checked Gronholm famous speeches. Highest number of swear words was 2. More importantly, none of that was live.
Now with alllive you have regulators restricting what could be said. If it goes on the TV , the channels get hefty fines. So either they add more delay to allive, or they just stop showing it om TV. Less spectators, less manus ....
For what? It's entirely possible to express emotions without swearing all the time. See Gronholm for reference.
Well, it would have been owkay if he would just have used 1 or swear words. But that were complete sentences of swear words.
I'm not suprised tbh, although for me personally I don't care.
Mads knew exactly what he was doing there. Is that the behaviour of a 33-year old? Incredible.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
Ok emotions run high as shown when he crossed the finish line. To get a fine for swearing is quite stupid imho and won't change much but c'mon, Mads, as an adult, should know that he doesn't need to use excessive swearing there. Way over the top.
https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/is-os...r-our-verdict/
The most interesting part is that Dirtfish staff doesn't know WRC and Rally2 use different tires.
Btw. I read somewhere that Citroen uses own rim design which is slightly different. On the other hand Huttunen said he damaged 3 rims yesterday without puncture.
Also how many WRC cars had a puncture this weekend? Don't remember any.
Then again, non-native English speakers, very clearly pissed off. You won't get an articulated answer with loads of synonyms and so on. You will get much of the same words that comes to mind, and to be honest. I would've said "fck" and "shit" a lot as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigWorm
But in all honesty, this is a great way to make the drivers answer less questions, and with a lot less words.
Doesn't have to be. Doesn't have to be full with curse words just for the sake of it either. This was all a bit over the top for me. Anyway, Mads will continue wearing his heart on his sleeve, which is good.Quote:
Originally Posted by Myrvold
There could be some "No Comment" interviews now
Also on the subject of questions there needs to be some more thought into the questions that are being asked, sometimes the questions aren't questions at all they are just a thought being said aloud for a reaction.
Thank you very much, it relates directly to what I wrote yesterday after Adamo's interview.Quote:
Originally Posted by satnav
As for Ostberg I completely understand his frustrations and I'm guessing Pirelli didn't like his comments and were probably offended, after all they didn't respond when Autosport tried to contact them regarding this.
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Is italan pirellipeople new to rally? Anyone that have been around rallies know that this is quite common when things don't work. Like shitröen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eli
Some smallheaded people there.
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so you dont have a problem with what Ostberg said.Quote:
Originally Posted by skarderud
Wish they had withdrawn him completely.The guy doesnt belong at wrc.
There are champions that have lost championships because of tyres,engines breakdowns etc at last 500 meters,and didnt spoke like that.
Totally unexpectable speech.
I'm aware these things happen, I was just speculating, I didn't say I know Pirelli didn't like the comments, just said: 'I'm guessing'. As I said before, I completely understand Østberg's frustrations about both the tires and the car, that's it.Quote:
Originally Posted by skarderud
video of Østberg 'taking a leak' https://youtu.be/n5DhHfyxYfA
and comment: 'Ostberg should pee on Pirelli tyres, not some innocent stones :)'
No, no problem with that.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
I'll tell you that it was no microphones when sainz throw his helmet thru the window... That was probably worse to.
I understand him, personally i wouldnt say faen and fu.k more than a couple of times, then use some other words in addition:)
He had a fighting weekend with several punctures , several technical problems.
At friday the protectionplate under the back axel get lost, maybe because bad teameffort(?) and the brakepipe was off.
He had trouble with a wishbone and some other stuff at the back on saturday, probably after friday. At saturday he collected all the parts they had left and make it work, i can understand some frustration come to speak when you have saved the game several times and are tired.
It is sports. This happens.
In Norway and sweden we use a lot of this words as a spice in our language, maybe thats the reason we don't react?
My german worker use just ßeiße and then change to scandinavian words, so we have translated some of them to german:)
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Regarding uncensored speech.
You can't have a lot of access without the downsides and another thing is that nearly everything is politically correct by now. Saying that a 30 or a 40-year-old can't lose control of their emotions and just vent everything out at the spot, is naive. Only way you can avoid seeing it is not having a camera with a microphone right in their face. But when you want to see more, you need to accept the possible downsides. People are different, reactions are different.
If you want a sport to be popular, you need characters and emotions. If you only have sterilised politically correct interviews, you won't be happy either. You need variety and threatening with penalties for non politically correct speech might as well produce even more closed doors at the stage end.
In all honesty, I liked their reaction and believe it can easily be used in a compilation promoting the sport. If they have issues with the broadcast legislation, then they know the solution. Delay. Or don't broadcast.
This is very true. Emotions and drama attracts fans.Quote:
Originally Posted by Franky
Nice pictures! It seems you enjoyed the rally!Quote:
Originally Posted by Fredouye
https://twitter.com/GustavKruuda/sta...48589676077059 - if you want to pay Mads "being yourself" fee.
When Gronholm said he is "fed up with this car", he got called to bosses in France to apologize.Quote:
Originally Posted by skarderud
1. Just look back 15 even 30 years and look at the "angry" interviews at stage ends. Marcus saying one bad word is the worst you could get. These were directly at stopline as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Franky
Saying it's policial correctness when drivers talk much worse than before is simply not correct.
2. Great idea. Stop selling WRC to TV, reduce promotion, reduce viewers , reduce manu interest... then cry about not enough manus.
FFS he got 1000 euro fine... that's it!!!! After swearing trough whole interview, even directly at the tires. Not a single random slip.
This discussion is starting to go to similar levels like the post Tanak at Monte one. " Let's change everything cause one guy made a mistake...'
First of all, people are different. I'm not you and you are not me, both of us might blow the fuse at a completely different moment resulting in a unique result that is common to ourselves. And Peugeot did have issues with Grönholm's stage end comments.
Secondly. Would you like to place a swear jar in the rally cars and for every swear or offensive word the counter would go 'ching-ching' and at the end of the rally invoices are printed out and forwarded to the crews?
Also, please add 2 Euros to the swear jar for using 'FFS'.
Obscene language isn't something that should be encouraged but how often do you hear a driver swear during an interview? Over reacting is exactly the same thing you've done. If people don't want to hear or see obscene language used, then delay or not broadcasting are literally the two only options to artificially weed the issue out some people have. We can always do it like in circuit racing. Interviews only in the service park and drivers have plenty of time to calm down and compose themselves to behave like good boys who never make a wrong step.
F1 is also under FIA and every other race weekend somebody bursts in the radio ,,what a fk id**ot'' when someone makes a stupid/dangerous move..
Haven't got any penalties for that..
And why bring up Gronholm ten times.. He said it about his employer and salary payer, ofc he had to explain later..
Now giving a penalty and a suspension brings it up 100 times more (in media) + is spread more than would have without the decision.
I'm not sure if I understand you correctly. Are you trying to suggest that showing real emotions of sportsmen is going to reduce the number of viewers?! How did you come to this conclusion?Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
That's the point you never hear more than a word or two, out of the past 20 years I can't remember any interview which was like this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Franky
So when it's one that stands out you draw the line. Cause it's just the one driver that once crossed it.
Got a tiny money penalty (you get more for 20 km/h over the speed limit in Norway). And a reminder not to do it again. But hey let's start with end of the world drama like for Tanak....
Gronholm, M. Martin, P. Solberg, McRae or Meeke had no real emotions? Yet they managed that without anything like this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarek Z
Getting kicked from TV broadcasts reduces viewers, no matter the reason.
Also somehow most people watch rally to see cars go fast, not because they love stage end interviews.
This.Quote:
Originally Posted by Myrvold
If it was me i wouldn't ever open the door from now on. Fuck them. It they want to make what drivers say interfere with championships that should be decidede by driving it's not worth ever saying anything again.
If it was just a fine i would understand, but never something that could decide a championship. But this is just mad.
That punishment was way too harsh, 25 points deducted for just expressing your raw emotion...
Thats so not good for the sport, either is swearing on public tv, but chances were 50/50 that there was a power outage in sardegna anyways and the picture was down lol :D
It's part of the job. Just like going to press conferences (you get penalties for not showing up there too, last was some 3? years ago). Same is true for example for football players.Quote:
Originally Posted by denkimi
If you don't like it don't do that job.
Except he didn't loose any points...Quote:
Originally Posted by henzo
on Tänak - he may have shown some of the hyundais weaknesses on the last two rallys, or may have had bad luck. BUT, he has managed something that either Loeb, or Neuville didnt manage, make the car fast and driveable, if not for everyone, atleast for himself.
And in a interview for estonian tv he said that portugal and sardegna were too close together and they didnt have enough time to change anything big in the rear - that implies to me that there is a weakness in the back of the hyundai and they know what to do to fix it. He also said it should be better by kenia.
I disagree. Neuville has shown plenty of brilliant speed in that car over the years. His issue is silly mistakes/ coping with the pressure at the business end of the season.Quote:
Originally Posted by henzo
The major question is about how fast and driveable Ott can make the car on tarmac. So far only Neuville has been able to properly find a way
Thank you for your explanation. I see what you mean, but I have a different opinion. I think that we shouldn't castrate motorsport in such way and make it even more boring than it is now. Have a look at some other sports disciplines:Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
Have John McEnroe's constant rants at referees reduced the number of tennis viewers? People still watch them, even 30 years later.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hmkv5a4gkQw
Has the famous Eric Cantona's kung fu kick reduced the number of football fans?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7PSY7KYThk
Did Zidane's headbutt attack stop football from being the most popular sport discipline in the world? As far as I know it is more popular than ever.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAjWi663kXc
All the above mentioned sportsmen did much worse things than Ostberg and they didn't get kicked from TV broadcasts.
I think that a fine of 1000E is OK, but suspending 25 points seems to much. Just my opinion.
I'm sure there's been interviews like this before in the last ten years. Not going to compare the amount of nice words in them, but the message of the answers.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
Getting kicked from TV broadcast? Don't be so hysterical.
And no point in writing anything about Tänak's dramas to me. Don't care about them.
Zidane got red card immediatelly, which is the biggest punishment you can get in footbal as a player and it severly hurts the team.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarek Z
Østberg got a tiny fine, nothing else as long as he doesn't repeat it this year.
It again illustrates my point perfectly, Zidane got red car cause it was not alright (over the line) and he never did that again afterwards.
No they weren't, prove it. WRC controversial interviews get recorded just like any others.Quote:
Originally Posted by Franky
The language is what matters in this case, not the message. Again precisely the point, it's entirely possible to get the message across without using only swearwords.
and do you know why zidane never did that again?Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
Also, if FIA has issues with abusive language. Then why does F1's official Youtube channel include these kind of moments. They are beeped, but beeping really doesn't change anything in the way a viewer perceives it - https://youtu.be/wBeHD8KFhYE?t=72
And beeped radio communication is also played during the race, so live broadcast element is there as well.
But they dont get fined when they swear between the finish and stop control, even though that is sometimes also aired to tv...
basically just swear before you open your door, if youre lucky someone will hear what you really meant to say, and when you get to the stop control and open the door, act cool and natural and answer politically correctly... smh...
I think Henzo didn't mention Neuville because he has been the only one who has been comfortable in the i20 and he excluded him from that list on this basisQuote:
Originally Posted by er88
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Re Ostberg case. I thought it was hilarious but also I get why he got the fine. Relax, it was just a little bit overboard this time.
But again... It was hilarious
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