i think that if he loose Tanak,responsibility is 100% at him.Quote:
Originally Posted by cali
Specially if he cant take Ogier,his next season is f@cked 100%
there are no excuses,when you dont have budget problems.
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i think that if he loose Tanak,responsibility is 100% at him.Quote:
Originally Posted by cali
Specially if he cant take Ogier,his next season is f@cked 100%
there are no excuses,when you dont have budget problems.
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Actually, couple of weeks ago they were already business associates. The contract was signed already a month ago, so they fooled us all for quite a long time...
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Hopefully, Adamo’s touring car racing backgroung will help him managing 2 top drivers under the same roof.Quote:
Originally Posted by cali
Anyway, I’m still puzzled about Tanak’s move to Hyundai: he’s the undisputed nr 1 driver in Toyota; the Yaris is the best car (despite a few reliability issues); the team has been ahead of the competition developing it and is based in Finland/Estonia; Toyota could pay whatever Tanak wants; why on hearth is he living?
It puzzles me too but what I've heard Tommi's really hard to work with (not that Tänak and Märtin isn't) and they sort of have mutual respect with Adamo. As a team boss Tommi has been described as softy. But this is all hearsay coming not from the direct sources. Never knows, we will see in a couple of days.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rally Power
Personally I like Adamo wayy more than Tommi. This guy is pure balls out...
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Hyundai pay more.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rally Power
It's not that complicated.
Press release out in the next few days.
i cant believe that Makinen will lost Tanak for 1-2 millions more,when this request would be easily solved from their budget.Quote:
Originally Posted by rallyfiend
I bet that, 6-7-8 mil.. there is no difference to Toyota or Hyundai.. To be main things are the Nr 1 driver of the team and development of the new era car. Couple of hundred K's here and there is the easiest to agree.
Well from the outside it's not possible to know how it "actually" is inside the team. But from outside view I also don't see any good reason for Tanak either.Quote:
Originally Posted by cali
For Adamo it's the best move he could do atm by all means. If Tanak wins in Hyundai it's good for Adamo, if it removes one of two Neuville's biggest opponents it's also great.
For manu title it's only Tanak's points that were keeping Toyota in fight for manu champ. Tanak scored 40 manu points more than Neuville this year, yet Toyota is 18 behind, so other Hyundai drivers got 58 more points than other Toyota drivers.
Yeah but having Neuville in the same team this not make any sense. He will not bend to be no 2 in the teamQuote:
Originally Posted by TypeR
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Neuville to Toyota then? He can only loose this one.Quote:
Originally Posted by cali
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There has to be something else than money. Toyota cant afford to negotiate in salary numbers because if they lose Tänak, then shit hits the fan and they are out of the picture for next year. They need to have one of top 3 in team, so money cant be problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by rallyfiend
He has how many years left in the contract? Surely Adamo will not let him go before the end of the valid contract. I'm just so puzzled right now as nothing makes sense anymoreQuote:
Originally Posted by skarderud
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What's somewhat worrying from Toyota's point of view, that in two years the team has lost Lehtinen, Lappi and now Tänak - and basically all three have voluntarily walked out. If I were Akio Toyoda, I'd ask Tommi some questions.
And not only these three...Quote:
Originally Posted by Allez Andruet
Neuville said in two different interviews this weekend how he has always been faster than his teammates in Hyundai and he is kind of right. Obviously he wasn't faster every single rally, but over multiple rallies it's true.Quote:
Originally Posted by skarderud
Remember how people expected Loeb to dominate over Neuville after start of this season, similarly after the 3 rallies he did in 2017 it was expected that Mikkelsen would be fighting with Neuville for n1 position. Before that it was Paddon who had same speed with Neuville in 2016 and then just struggled since.
The Black Widow effect?Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
Also whats weird is that, I havent heard any rumours that Tänak acctually tested Hyundai somewhere. When moving Toyota, there were videos and everything about testing it. So is he really changing team without even testing car before? Or they have kept it in secret and been reslly good at it?
Hard to believe it's just about money; Toyota is paying millions to Alonso, mainly for PR purposes. A bad relation with Makinen, like cali explained, make more sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by rallyfiend
Btw, before Loeb's era having 2 top drivers in the same team was the rule in the WRC; it can work fine, as long there's a strong team manager.
just thinking loudly....Quote:
Originally Posted by Rally Power
because also for me is hard to believe thats is about money,maybe Tanak asked to run the yaris r5 program for customers with MM sport and Tommi denied?
Maybe Adamo willing to give MM sport this r5 multi million programm to MM sport?
Exactly. Moving to another team without testing the car is insane. Or maybe these rumored Japanese plane tickets were South Korea tickets instead...;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Oraamat
He signed last year for 3 years more (until the end of 21).Quote:
Originally Posted by cali
Probably we’ll only know in the next Tanak movie…Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
spill the beans AnttiLQuote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
Loeb was on vacation mode this rally in my mind......he and Daniel came to enjoy themselves whatever the result may be....He never got to grips with the car, and IMHO this weekend in Catalunya he didn't seem to be too bothered with his lack of pace. He knows he's already proven himself here some 12 months ago...so he (Quite cleverly) decided to push as much as he could on Friday, and then when he saw he couldn't match the front runners, he decided to take it easy....now both he & Elena are celebrating Neuville's win without much care in the world, rightfully so, knowing they won't go down under.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
Dim, I actually wanted to write also that maybe this deal includes MM Motorsport running R5 programme instead of Sainteloc. As you know Katsuta no longer drives R5 cars.
I think this deal is more complicated than we think.
Huh, he seemed pissed on just about every tarmac stage end. Re-play the alllive endings and/or read the comments.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eli
more complicated= much more millions than Tanaks yearly salary,so yes its very complicated who will earn all these millions for decades of cars,and for plenty of years ahead.Quote:
Originally Posted by cali
Anyway you look at it, he hasn't been close to delivering the goods this season, and in this rally, he let Ott through just like that,of course Ott was on a mission but even Latvala was into single figures behind him and I reckon another stage and Loeb would have finished 5th...Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
How do you know Toyota has endless budget, are you really sure they offered Tanak what he deserves?
I mentioned early this year about Japanase mentality and how they work on an honor basis. It could just come down to stubborn Japanese mentality. They expect everyone to be loyal, but obviously the rest of the world does now work this way. I'm not sure the rumor is true or not but I've done business in Japan and they have a very systematic and traditional method of doing business. They even use pen and paper to record things as opposed to computers. As advanced as they are they do some weird things and have some old school traditional beliefs...
People seem to forget that loeb is old, and nobody beats time.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
Old people get slower, but more importantly they have problems adjusting to new situations. The older you get, the more difficult it becomes to drive around problems like a bad setup.
I'm sure the 2004 loeb would have won this rally in whatever car available. But the 2019 loeb will only win in a car that fits his driving style perfectly. And apparently the citroen still fits his driving, but the hyundai doesn't.
I suspect that in the right car loeb could still fight for the title.
If Tänak leaves, money from driving is not reason. Toyota has money and they are willing to pay.
R5 deal could be the reason and deffinently personal things with some TGR team chiefs.
TGR needs Tänak way more than Tänak needs TGR.
Hyundai needs Tanak, more ths TGR. Hyundai programme at risk if they can't deliver something.Quote:
Originally Posted by pantealex
Now Citröen program at risk. I'd be worried if I was Lappi just now.
I don't know if there's new people leaving, but I know that other important smaller name workers have left or almost left during the past three years.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
Mikko and Linda Hirvonen are good examples.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
With Lehtinen's and Lappi's unexpected departures before, it should be quite clear there is something toxic happening behind the Toyota curtains. In August-September it was hotly speculated in the Estonian media that the fiercest fight was over Tänak's future lead driver spot in Toyota, which Mäkinen publicly refused until the end. Mäkinen basically said if he doesn't like it he can go. That seems like insanity considering he is not only the fastest driver anymore, but also the world champion. If the world champion is not worthy enough to be your lead driver, who is? Now add the fact that TGR has just admitted they don't have a plan B for Tänak's departure. What are they smoking? The Japanese should bloodbathe their offices for letting it get to this point.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
When the news came, i was 90% sure that it is BS. Now i am 90% sure that it is true. Several small things:
1. Big one - Silence from Akio Toyoda - he has always congratulated team and drivers when they have succeeded in previous rounds but not now when they achieved their biggest success this year.
2. Somewhat reserved Mäkinen, he was more emotional after Rally GB even, compared to now...
3. Ridiculous amount of cryptic "hints" from Neuville, Adamo, Meeke etc. Why play this game if he stays?
4. Again - Akio Toyoda...
Mäkinen trying to play a tough game, assuming Tänak wouldn't have anywhere else to go.Quote:
Originally Posted by ggg377
If it really happens and comes out tomorrow I wonder how the atmosphere will be in Australia and how the fight for manu title will go.
Thinking back to Ogier in Spain and GB 2011.
Letting Lappi go should have sounded some serious alarm bells already. Letting Tänak go is just shocking for everyone. If your negotiations result in the team spots being filled with complacent veteran drivers and your stars jumping ship to other teams, you are ruining it. Let's not forget they also missed Sordo for Hyundai, despite seeking him. Money troubles, which we don't know about?Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
Case Sordo was just fake news, resulting from Mäkinen's refusal to say anything when names are thrown at him.Quote:
Originally Posted by ggg377
If you would ask Tommi whether he's interested in hiring Walter Röhrl for next season, he most likely wouldn't deny that either.