They just messed up with that red flag. You should either do it immediately, already for the first car passing after Lappi, or you shouldn't do it at all... Now it's impossible to make any correct decision.
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They just messed up with that red flag. You should either do it immediately, already for the first car passing after Lappi, or you shouldn't do it at all... Now it's impossible to make any correct decision.
SS10 and SS13 are same, usually 2nd runnings time has something to with their decicions (SS2 El Chokolade decicions went like that)
The organisers will have the tracking from the cars so they will know how far Ogier had to go when the red flag was received in the car and the exact time he had taken until then as well . Looking at the splits I don't know if Ogiers last split was before or after the red flag but he was 18.4 down on Meeke at that point , it will be an interesting decision …….Quote:
Originally Posted by er88
When Neuville got stuck in dust after one car that was changing puncture (don't remember who that was) in Portugal 2017, they used only split time differences, even though they had the tracking.Quote:
Originally Posted by satnav
How the hell did Meeke do that time anyway ? Just amazing.
They can take GPS data from the moment when the stage was redflagged. GPS tracks are recorded and timekeeping is GPS based, so, they can find the time difference between stage winner and Ogier/Latvala from the moment when red falg was applied. It is a bit hard to estimate further timeloss during the same stage as the puncture gets worse. Ogier should win from this decision abit, but it is the clearest fact-based decision they can take.
Ogier have to manage 2 stages with no spare also(40,5km total)
These calculated times are always about "what if". Personally I think that it's better to avoid and if possible give drivers, who are in direct fight, same notional time. The situation when it's needed is very rare and while we can say that it's unfair for the one who already finished and could have won some time we can say the same about calculated time loss for the other. You simply can not know what would have happened in the rest of the stage. That's why I think it's better to avoid any such calculation (generally speaking - of course in this particular case when we know that Ogier had a puncture it's impossible that he could have taken some time back).
They cant know for sure the exact point of Ogier's puncture so it cant be taken into account. Giving identical notional times of those involved are usual in such cases.
Was a great time and from nowhere really, he's been very solid all weekend up to this point but not showing the top speed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
Possible he could've been overdriving or pushing extra hard though, which ofcourse comes with risks. He didn't say too much at the stage end
i don’t get it why they cancelled it anyway
They cant give him a better time than the last split though surely? He wouldn't have taken time back on Meeke with a puncture so at the very, very least he should lose 18.4s. Ogier would be delighted with thatQuote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
Also... where was the Tanak/Neuville charge up the leaderboard? Seems Meeke and Evans may have something to say about that.
As I said this will be an interesting coc decision , oh to be a fly on the wall...
It was just one stage and mikkelsen said the cleaning is even worse today.Quote:
Originally Posted by Morte66
And i would say it’s tanaks least favorite gravel rally
Nearly a second per km faster than Tanak in the same car and only slightly better road position is unbelievable.Quote:
Originally Posted by er88
Seems to be enough room for others to get passed thatQuote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
I think that is for the best in the long term. It's the same rules for everybody, and what goes around comes around.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
If they do some complex calculation somebody will complain that it was wrong maths, or accuse the COC of bias, or whatever.
Just so long as they always do the same thing, so it is the same rules for everybody.
Then you'd be an idiot with the information available, no offence :)Quote:
Originally Posted by PLuto
Well, 5 WRC without restart remain. Could be a Turkey scenario, where from 6th place pace you get the win.
Meeke did and still set fastest time !Quote:
Originally Posted by COD
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Originally Posted by EstWRC
I still wonder whether this was a factor. Meeke wanted to do a quick interview, but let Colin Clark walk away before beckoning him back over to talk to him off mic. Seemed weird if he didn't want to hang around. It'd be ironic if he played a part in the red flag coming out, given what it cost him...Quote:
Originally Posted by T16
This is the key point, I also see enough space for passing, I can not get the reason for red flagging !!!
Ogier could argue the red flag alert distracted him causing him to hit a rock and puncture. Just sayin...
You’re having a laugh, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
he hit a rock before red flagQuote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
He can't. At the finish he said he hit a rock in the line, and he could not avoid it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
Ahh... I didn’t realise it was Clarke who came back to the car. I thought it was an official.Quote:
Originally Posted by the sniper
Here we go ... Tanak flying on this one.
big time differences at this stage seems from splits.
Yes, in this particular case but it's not only Ogier who was stopped by the red flag. And for the other who had no punctures (in this case Latvala but it can be whoever next time) You can not know what would they achieve in the canceled part of the stage and that's why it's very tricky to allocate any notional time. All options are unfair in a way.Quote:
Originally Posted by er88
I think that in this case it was really stupid to use the red flag in the moment when they did it (there was no immediate danger). Had they did it after Latvala they could have given everybody else the same notional time and it would be fair and square to everyone.
Meeke slow 2nd split
Meeke very slow. Possible trouble
That's who I thought was at the time anyway!Quote:
Originally Posted by T16
Mikkelsen had some small problem they said at the stage end, stalling i think they said
What is this talk in some places, that it Was Lappi pushing the red button, after Ogier getting a puncture.
Some vivid fantasies?
Meeke with an issue. Toyota Achilles heel again ?
possible engine problem for meeke !!!
NONE ESCAPES THE finish VILLAGE TEAM OF NOBODIES....
disgraceful
Ok. That´s it Meeke second to suffer.
After all this load of ... so unfair.